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15 people considered “high risk” following positive Covid test for 57 year old Samui resident

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A 57 year old French woman, visiting the Gulf island of Koh Samui with her husband and son, has tested positive for Covid-19, five days after finishing the mandatory 14 day quarantine. The Division of Communicable Diseases director Sophon Iamsirithavorn told the media yesterday about the case which is baffling medical officials to understand where she had been exposed to the virus.

September 30

The family flew from Limoges in France, via Thai Airways, and landed at Suvarnabhumi, Bangkok.

October 3 and 11

The entire family had tested negative for Covid-19 in two tests conducted on October 3 and 11, visiting the French embassy before taking Bangkok Airways flight to Koh Samui.

October 15

The family were then whisked off to an alternative state quarantine site in Samut Prakan, south east of Bangkok, and then headed to Koh Samui.

October 17

The woman complained of a fever but still went shopping at Samui Big C and 7-Eleven store near their accommodation.

October 20

She visited the private Bangkok Hospital Samui in a private vehicle and was admitted overnight. The hospital sent her samples for testing at the Koh Samui Hospital.

October 21

Koh Samui Hospital revealed a positive test result.

October 22

The results were confirmed by the Regional Medical Sciences Centre 11 in Surat Thani. The woman was admitted to Koh Samui Hospital. Some media reports say that the family are residents of Samui, other report that the family were visiting.

The 57 year old’s husband and son have tested negative whilst remaining under observation at the Koh Samui Hospital. a family friend, who had picked them all up at Koh Samui Airport, has also been tested.

Public health officials have tracked down and tested 15 people who they believe could be at “high-risk” of infection. They’ve all been isolated until their results are confirmed. Another 42 people are “under observation” and considered at “low risk”.

Bangkok Airways has not yet released a statement on the tracking of passengers on the woman’s flight from Bangkok to Samui.

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    Toby Andrews

    October 24, 2020 at 10:40 am

    So all the quarantine was for nothing. They did not detect the virus during the 14 days.

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      john brig

      October 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm

      She was obviously infected after the quarantine.

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    RA

    October 24, 2020 at 10:59 am

    I can almost hear it now, “Dirty Farang”, not a failure of the system.

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      Maag

      October 24, 2020 at 12:11 pm

      Dirty yourself !

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      andre

      October 24, 2020 at 12:26 pm

      YESSSS YOU RIGHT ,I STAY 9N THAILAND SINDS 2003 AND THAI PEOPLE ARE NOW SO NEGATIV ABOUT ME .. GO HOME THEY SHOUTING… DIRTHY FARANG COVID FARANG

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        Issan John

        October 25, 2020 at 3:13 pm

        Wow. They’re shouting at you?

        God, you must be a real minger …

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    Idea helper

    October 24, 2020 at 11:18 am

    The other possibility is she was infected in Thailand.

    The Thaiger pointed out in an earlier article that it’s something the authorities are considering:

    https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/57-year-old-woman-tests-positive-for-covid-on-samui

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      john brig

      October 24, 2020 at 12:58 pm

      Of course. And that ends the tourists returning until the vaccine is distributed.

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        Mike Frenchie

        October 25, 2020 at 5:58 pm

        Vaccine with 50-70% effectiveness… will not fix the problem, just smooth it…

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    Gary Pinner

    October 24, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    Under what rule was she and her family allowed back into Thailand, can’t see any clue in the story

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      adam

      October 24, 2020 at 12:22 pm

      under the pay enough money rule

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        Toby Andrews

        October 24, 2020 at 2:35 pm

        lol Adam

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      Mike

      October 24, 2020 at 12:41 pm

      Absolutely! Let’s have the whole story ! Why was she allowed back into Thailand ?

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    Ryan Lih

    October 24, 2020 at 12:40 pm

    This case/story needs to dig deeper. It’s futile to jump to conclusions given how some people are quick, in their nature, to play the blame game. It would be good if an investigative journalist could dig deeper IMO. Blaming will not solve the root cause.

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    john brig

    October 24, 2020 at 12:52 pm

    My understanding of the incubation times, and the simple math of their dates,shows that she contracted it here.

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    Issan John

    October 24, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    As I commented in the other report on this, he only thing baffling about this is why it’s “baffling medical officials” since it’s almost certainly a failure of the quarantine system, much as happened in New Zealand and in China when quarantine measures weren’t enforced strictly enough with identical results.

    In New Zealand, one very similar case happened when strict quarantine rules weren’t fully applied and those quarantined put their own refuse, such as empty drinking water bottles, in a refuse bin in the hotel corridor. The bin had a plastic lid, and the virus was transferred to the lid by someone touching it who had recently started quarantine so was contagious but had not yet tested positive as the virus was in the early stages of incubation. It was then transferred from the lid to another person touching it who was near the end of their quarantine period, so they didn’t test positive on their final test as the virus wasn’t yet developed.

    There was another similar case also in New Zealand, where someone at the beginning of their hotel quarantine was contagious but with the virus not yet fully developed, so at the time they tested negative; they pressed a lift button, contaminating it, and so the virus was then passed on to the next person using the lift who was a maintenance worker at the hotel (with a nearly identical case to that in China, with someone in self-quarantine).

    The more quarantine standards are reduced, either by time or by reducing the strict controls with a “7 + 7” system with loosened restrictions for the last seven days as advocated by Bill Heinecke with guests being allowed to use hotel restaurants and bars as well as spas and “wellness facilities”, obviously the more likely these cases are to occur. Guests are already allowed some access to hotel facilities, gardens, and communal areas which has to be a recipe for disaster and for easy transfer of the virus, so the only surprise is that this hasn’t happened more often – the Buriram United footballer, Akbar Ismatullaev, almost certainly contracted the virus in a similar way during his quarantine.

    Given that she visited the French embassy in Bangkok, flew from Bangkok to Samui with Bangkok Airways, went shopping in 7-11 and Big ‘C’, and left the hospital after being tested but before getting the results, the estimate of only 15 at high risk including her husband and son and the friend who collected them from the airport in Samui would seem on the low side.

    The cheapest price for a 14 night ASQ hotel stay with full board appears to be as little as 29,000 baht; cutting costs to that level, and lower if some have their way, is a virtual guarantee that the quarantine will be ineffective as it would be simply impossible to control and supervise guests, supply staff with clean and effective PPE, and maintain the necessary hygiene standards for that sort of price.

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      Idea helper

      October 24, 2020 at 4:05 pm

      Not necessarily, John. There is enough evidence that in outliers, viral loads can take longer than 14 days from infection to show up on PCR, let alone manifest symptoms.

      Rare but possible. And with enough visitors, likely to get past a 14 day quarantine anywhere.

      Just one more reason among many already, for why we need $1 antigen rapid tests available to everyone from Boots and 7-11.

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        Issan John

        October 24, 2020 at 11:06 pm

        Agreed, but the failure in quarantine is considerably more likely. Cutting the margins just makes the failures ever more likely.

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      Mike Frenchie

      October 24, 2020 at 4:33 pm

      She most likely got it in Thailand… more than 18 days (test before flying) is scientifically a no go.

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    Oliver

    October 24, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    According to the latest news, the Frenchwoman lied about her schedule and the places she frequented. According to a video we see her participating in a party on the evening of the 15th, many people without a mask and without respect for distances.

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      Jilted John

      October 28, 2020 at 12:15 pm

      According to the real news, the Frenchwoman is in fact a Thai National who’s married to a French National.
      Maybe that video on the 15th could have shown her nationality even if she was wearing a mask…

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    Al

    October 24, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    All of these cases have all sprung up around the world when it’s …….dadadadada! “FLU SEASON!”

    But surely, that’s a mere coincidence, eh? 😉

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      The Thaiger & The Nation

      October 24, 2020 at 4:50 pm

      Maybe you should explain your logic. These people have been diagnosed with Covid-19, not the flu. Most respiratory illnesses are more of a problem in the colder weather as people are more likely to congregate indoors.

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        Al

        October 24, 2020 at 10:01 pm

        Diagnosed with what test? The PCR?

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    Zig

    October 24, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    lots missing to this story…but…how were they allowed in in the first place???,,,2. its obvious to me she got the virus from somebody she was in contact with here…which means we have to question all the B.S. that Thailand is covid free…big cover up?…This whole thing smells.

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      Andreas

      October 24, 2020 at 4:37 pm

      @ Zig:
      Das vermute ich auch. Nur die einreisenden Personen sind krank. Kein Einheimischer ist bei ca. 68 Millionen Einwohnern Covid positiv? Kaum zu glauben. Obwohl wer wenig bis garnicht quer durch die Bevölkerung testet findet auch nichts. Nur bei Kontakten mit Ausländern wird bei der einheimischen Bevölkerung der Virus festgestellt. Ich vermute auch gezielte Vertuschung und Täuschung der Bevölkerung, schüren der Abneigung gegen Ausländer um den Umbau der Tourismusindustrie voran zubringen. Ob das aufgeht? Die Zeit wird es zeigen.

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        john brig

        October 24, 2020 at 7:25 pm

        Bingo

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        Issan John

        October 24, 2020 at 11:18 pm

        ” Ich vermute auch gezielte Vertuschung und Täuschung der Bevölkerung, schüren der Abneigung gegen Ausländer um den Umbau der Tourismusindustrie voran zubringen.”

        … and you think Cambodia and Vietnam are doing the same?

        How?

        … and why? Nobody stands to gain anything out of it. What would be the point?

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      Issan John

      October 24, 2020 at 11:12 pm

      Why? Two simple options: i) she was a late bloomer, or ii) the quarantine wasn’t strict.

      The whole idea that there’s some sort of “big cover up” just isn’t possible, however much the West don’t want to accept that they just stuffed up.

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    Edy F.

    October 24, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    She certainly has a flu. Nobody can trust PCR tests. They don’t detect covid19.
    And we are millions all over the world to be positive, and it is absolutely normal, and we must be more and more to stop this madness with vaccines. This virus is not dangerous now.

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    Al

    October 24, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    I repeat, were these people tested and diagnosed with a PCR test?

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      Issan John

      October 25, 2020 at 3:24 pm

      Maybe if you answered other people’s questions they’d do you the courtesy of answering yours …

      … just a thought …

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        Al

        October 26, 2020 at 1:02 am

        Are you referring to moi? If so dear John, what questions? Just a thought also…….;)

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    Issan John

    October 25, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Yes, everything’s “absolutely normal” … and nobody’s really dying or ill as the virus is “not dangerous now” …

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