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No vaccine, no entry – the next Covid challenge

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UPDATE: Australia’s national airline Qantas has already said it will impose “proof of vaccine” on all inbound and outbound international flights, a situation that IATA says they will follow. Read more HERE.

ORIGINAL POST: The approval of a reliable Covid-19 vaccine will be a game-changer. Over the past 2 weeks there has been several announcements, and a few bumps, about candidate vaccines that are now either in the latter stages of their Phase 3 trials, or now seeking approval from government health bodies. But a vaccine, and its roll out, brings the next Covid challenge…

What restrictions will be imposed on those people who don’t have the vaccine, or even actively choose not to have the vaccine?

And more locally…

Will Thailand allow people to enter Thailand without first having the Covid-19 vaccine?

Given the Thai Government’s low-risk strategy, well almost zero-risk strategy, and reluctance to take any chances with a second wave of Covid 19, it is highly likely there will be a stipulation that anyone entering Thailand will need a vaccine certificate or stamp in their passports. Initially they will also maintain a quarantine period as well until the efficiency of the various vaccines can be better understood.

Couple this with the Thai population’s continued fear of allowing foreigners back into the country at this time, in poll after poll, and it’s a safe bet there will be a “no vaccine, no entry” restriction imposed.

On a positive note, the Thai government may drop the 14 day quarantine for people that have had the vaccine (but not in the early days).

At this stage we know that most of the vaccine trials have had a 95% efficacy. We also know that the leading BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine needs an original jab plus a booster and has to be transported at extremely low temperature.

To complicate matters, there is not yet sufficient evidence that having had a bout of Covid-19, whether asymptomatic or not, guarantees you immunity. Or, if it does, for how long?

All these factors will mean that some level of quarantine will probably be in force as the Thai government slowly re-opens its borders to a wider groups of vaccinated travellers. This would remain in force until the world has a better knowledge of both the proven efficacy of the vaccine, or vaccines, and the re-infection rates.

So, even if we start getting groups of the world’s populations vaccinated before the end of the year, and that’s still a very big IF, there’s a lot more water to pass under the bridge until a coherent, reliable vaccine strategy can be understood and implemented.

Then there will be a rump of people, either hard core anti-vaxxers, or others who are at least skeptical of a new vaccine, who will want to wait or not want the vaccine at all. Public education, some strong science and a successful roll out of the early vaccines will be a key to winning over a lot of the world’s population.

Somehow governments and health authorities are going to have to wind back much of the disinformation floating around the internet about vaccines that is so factually out of whack with reality, it’s going to be one of the greatest public health challenges of all time, to reassure people about the science of vaccines and vaccination.

All this, in the middle of a pandemic that, for now, is still on the ascendency as far as new cases and deaths are concerned.

But there is little doubt rejoining the world of international travel, even local travel, could become restricted to only those who are vaccinated. The rest will be stuck roaming around their own countries, or states, for… years with a raft of restrictions on their lives. Who knows.

Will shopping centres or public buildings also impose a “no vaccine, no entry” policy? Hotels? Public buildings? Job applications?

On top of the economic stress which has fallen on a lot of the world, with so many governments now facing the headwinds of deep recession, the vaccine ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ will add even more public disquiet.

At this stage nobody is sure how the vaccine will be rolled out in Thailand. The Thai government has already signed up for several of the leading vaccine candidates and will most likely provide the vaccine for free to citizens under its public health system.

What does that mean for foreigners living here? If you are covered, with a work permit, under the country’s public health, are you able to get the vaccine for free too? Will the thousands of foreigners on private health insurance be covered?

Surely the insurers will want its customers to be vaccinated. Sick customers cost them money. So, will insurance renewals be limited to only people who have been vaccinated? Will visas be renewed only if you have been vaccinated?

At this stage there are no firm answers to any of these questions.

Added to all this confusion, there is more than one vaccine, and some of the vaccines work in different ways than others. So do airlines and governments and shops and hotels and bowling alleys allow one vaccine through their doors but not another?

We’re certainly now entering a new phase of this pandemic. New challenges, new questions. The rising numbers of cases throughout 2020 is only the first chapter of a book that will be many more years in the making.

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128 Comments

128 Comments

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    Robert K Choate

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Well after reading this thinking most people that travel to Thailand are between 30 up to 65 key word MOST, these will be the very last people to get the vaccine, so if you really want to kill tourist trade in Thailand for another year 2021 just keep bringing this up!

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      Ted

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:13 am

      Yup correct! but Thais are not famous for, to think longer than their nose…if even that far, probably that’s why so many people have loved the place

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      Robert Elliot

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 11:17 pm

      Well. If they want to come to Thailand they will get vaccinated, simple as that. No big deal.

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      Peter

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:47 pm

      Robert, the tourism industry is already dead, the question should be “do you really want to kill the remainder of the Thai economy”, which at the moment is doing OK when measured against most of the economies in the West? Europe’s economies are suffering the effects of widespread shutdown and travel restrictions put in place to slow down the exponential spread of the virus, France is particularly hard hit at the moment, and is reporting the worst figures in the EU, the covid pandemic is not getting better, it’s getting worse.

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      Richard Renwick

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:26 pm

      I think tourism will be wiped out for most of next year for worldwide travel? There may be some corridors open up, China and Thailand, parts of Europe, in the middle of the year but that will be as good as it gets?

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    SG666

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:23 am

    It has no impact to me as I will leave LOScam in July next year for good.

    However I will not visit any country where they insist on a vacination certificate before entery.

    As simple as that.

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      Jon

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:01 pm

      Good. Stay home.

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        Issan John

        Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 11:41 pm

        More probably, “Good – GO home”!

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          Jon

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 12:18 am

          Correct. Go home and stay there.

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            Preesy Chepuce

            Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:06 pm

            Is that where you stay Jon? He should go and visit the other 200+ countries in the world. It’s not a choice just between Thailand and “home”. Maybe you could go together, and make a hipster vlog on it?

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      Perceville Smithers

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:51 pm

      You don’t travel with your Immunization Record? I have mine in my passport wallet. At anytime you can be asked for it and it’s best to be prepared.

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        SG666

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:34 am

        For what ? I not even have one.

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        Don R

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:30 pm

        No one ever asks for such records. Unless you’re applying for a work permit, it’s never been necessary.

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        robert M

        Friday, November 27, 2020 at 4:42 am

        I’m an avid traveler who has been all over the world. I’ve never once been asked about my immunization record, except possibly once or twice when seeking a long-term visa in 1-3 countries. Even in those cases, I was asked questions but never asked to show proof.

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          Preesy Chepuce

          Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:46 pm

          I have, once in an African country, the moment I touched down. I didn’t have it on me and they tried to take me to a little room and ask me for a tip, I told them (in their language), the best tip I could give was to let me go, as I didn’t have any cash or cards; and they did.

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          Xin Loi

          Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:49 pm

          The last time I was asked for an immunization record was way back in the 70’s, while I was visiting Japan. I was trying to get a flight from Nagoya to Taipei and was asked then. I had to get a smallpox vaccination from the airport doc, before I was allowed to board that flight.

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      RA

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:00 am

      Glad to hear that! Bye!

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      David

      Monday, November 30, 2020 at 7:31 am

      Pakistan is the nearest country to Thailand that is open NOW and doesn’t require even a Covid test for people coming from Thailand. 13.000 bht and 4 hours, you will be in Lahore, nice hospitable people, great food, NO Scam. Why are you waiting July for?

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    Issan John

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:34 am

    You’ve overlooked one of the most important, if not the MOST important questions over the vaccines:

    DO THEY STOP THOSE VACCINATED CARRYING AND TRANSMITTING THE VIRUS?

    All the statements so far clearly indicate that the Pfizer / BioNTech and Moderna vaccines DON’T, and they only protect the 90%+ of those vacinated from getting sick.

    That is WORSE for the rest of the population than nothing, as the vaccinated will become dangerous, symptomless carriers and ‘super spreaders’.

    On the other hand it looks as if the AstraZeneca vaccine DOES prevent transmission –
    as well as having no storage / transport issues, which the other two have, being just as effective, and costing a tenth of their price.

    Maybe ‘wait and see’ is the answer …..

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      Ulf Mikaelsson

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:57 am

      So the question should instead be. Do we need to vaccinate all Thai citizens before we let the tourists in again and the follow up how long time will it take to vaccinate 60 million people in Thailand twice.

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      Don R

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:59 am

      Take a deep breath, buddy. Deep breath…

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      Pascal Hughes

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:53 pm

      There is no evidence so far that “Pfizer / BioNTech and Moderna vaccines DON’T (STOP THOSE VACCINATED CARRYING AND TRANSMITTING THE VIRUS), and they only protect the 90%+ of those vacinated from getting sick”.

      This is pure speculation!! Pfizer & Moderna have simply not tested people as to know what percentage of people carry the virus after vaccination and only looked at symptoms of the virus. However, that does not mean that there isn’t actually a drop in people who carry the virus. Given how vaccines work, it is highly likely that there is a considerable drop in the number of vaccinated people carrying the virus as well.

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        Issan John

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:15 am

        Ummm … “no evidence so far” means … well … NO EVIDENCE SO FAR!

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      Preesy Chepuce

      Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:09 pm

      I don’t think you quite understand how vaccines work John… it’s not like lao khao, where the more you drink the better you get at yelling in the dirt tracks of an Isan village. The common flu jab is “only” 60% effective.
      Do you even understand what that means though? It’s not like 60% ABV.
      Taking a vaccine isn’t permanent either, they all have different mechanisms of action, as well as different procedures for storage and inoculation.

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        Issan John

        Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:25 am

        I don’t think you’ve read my comment, Preesy, as that’s just what I’ve said, here and elsewhere! 🙂

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          Preesy Chepuce

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:14 pm

          I only ever look at the pictures…

          You said that the American vaccines protect 90+% of those who take them from “getting sick”, as in, they get the lurgi, but it doesn’t have an impact on them, which is more or less correct.
          A vaccine will usually create T-cells and protect the vaccinated body, but the virus can still be spread, not from within a vaccinated person, but from the same external sources, like dirty doorknobs, or Toby’s keyboard.
          I think leaping to describing the vaccinated as potential protected asymptotic “superspreaders” is a bit hysterical. The risk of infection remains from the same external factors, and whilst can’t say never, the increased numbers of people vaccinated will reduce the overall contagion and contain the virus spread, because overall a larger percentage of infections will fail, and the virus will not be present to spread – because, for example, many people tend to wash more than once a day, and don’t necessarily vary their contact with others. There’s no silver bullet, and it will take a combination of things to quell the spread, vaccination reduces the cumulative quantity of infections, and fencing off the vulnerable, and maintaining some level of daily controls (within economic reason) is going to help mitigate the impact of remaining contagion, but it’s not going away in a hurry, and there’ll still be persistent low level of deaths and infections in even the most controlled and vaccinated populations.

          I have tended to favour the AZ vaccine because, not only are they and Oxford very effective at what they do, they’re also very open about their failures, which doesn’t appear to be the case with the Americans and even less so with other countries.

          In the interests of diffusing online rantathons, here’s some American sources on vaccines:
          https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/understanding-vacc-work.html
          https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

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      Pete

      Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:43 am

      Absolutely right John! And that problem is compounded by the fact that the majority of the incoming tourists will be from China and Russia – both countries which lie about their “achievements” and have not allowed the results of their inadequate testing to be examined by international experts. Who knows what their “vaccines” will or won’t do.

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      Stephen Westrip

      Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:12 pm

      More falsehoods from Issan John….”All the statements so far clearly indicate that the Pfizer / BioNTech and Moderna vaccines DON’T, and they only protect the 90%+ of those vacinated from getting sick”……this just isn’t true. It has yet to be verified one way or the other and this needs real time.

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    Issan John

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:45 am

    FWIW I agree with you that “it’s a safe bet there will be a “no vaccine, no entry” restriction imposed”, but not only by Thailand but pretty well universally just as many countries currently require proof of cholera or yellow fever vaccines.

    Those without … no problem, their choice, they’ll just be very limited on where they can go outside their home country.

    Unlikely there’ll be a “stamp in … passports”, though – most countries don’t allow that, so it’s more likely to just be a vaccination certificate possibly backed up by an on-line register.

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      EdwardV

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:35 am

      Agreed. I’ve said the question isn’t will thailand continue to deny entry to un-vaccinated people that’s a given. The real question is what will they do with those who are vaccinated? I’m going to assume a verified vaccination and 72 hour Covid test will get you no quarantine but I also don’t think that’s a given either. I’m not sure they know either but they only have a few months to figure it out. Travelers might start getting them as early as February.

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        Peter

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 5:19 am

        I wouldn’t be too sure about that, if the Pfizer vaccine is 90% efficient, a jumbo jet full of tourists could typically contain 360 persons of which 36 may well be infected with the covid virus despite having being vaccinated, the AstraZeneca vaccine fairs worse with a 70% efficiency and a possible 100+ infected passengers. Do you think for a minuit the government of Thailand will allow that situation to happen? I think NOT. A further test for covid or the presence of antibodies, may be required, and a failure would probably result in quarantine or a flight home.

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:18 am

          Exactly.

          FWIW the AstraZeneca vaccine given in the revised dosage is 90%+ effective, comparable to Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines.

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          EdwardV

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:13 pm

          Well I did say a Covid test would still be required. Even so there is no way they are going to fill planes coming back to Thailand. The demand will not be there the first year.

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      Lwy

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:26 pm

      Google “Common Pass”

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      J.C.

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:23 am

      “FWIW I agree with you”

      Who cares what you agree with? You’re clearly an uneducated brainlet who takes himself way too seriously.

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        Joe

        Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:17 am

        Well said J.C,this isaan John guy needs to be brought far down to reality.

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        Richard

        Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 5:58 pm

        You must be a Know All Brit….5555

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        Issan John

        Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:33 am

        Do you understand what FWIW means?

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        Latecomer

        Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:40 pm

        Not “himself”, but herself. So called Issan John is a lonely sad aunt in the middle od northern Europe, who has never seen anything but Baltics

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    Jayce

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:47 am

    It would be insane to still have to go through quarantine in case you have been vaccinated….
    You can’t mandate something while at the same time saying you don’t believe in it.

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      Issan John

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 11:39 pm

      At the moment all the indicators are that neither the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccines stop transmission -a question they both avoid answering.

      If so, while they give 90%+ protection to the person vaccinated they may not stop them infecting anyone else as a carrier, so it would be “insane” to allow them in unchecked, although what checks can be made are also unknown.

      They haven’t been tested enough yet, so no-one knows.

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        Jayce

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 7:42 am

        But if the aim is to vaccinate all Thai people for free anyway, the ability for Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccine to prevent transmission is irrelevant and therefore also the quarantine…

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:21 am

          “irrelevant” only once everybody’s vaccinated!

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            Preesy Chepuce

            Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:11 pm

            …they don’t stay vaccinated forever, it depends on so many things.

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      David Barker

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:37 am

      The Thai Gov is insane that’s the problem AND they don’t like foreigners

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      Mike Frenchie

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:41 am

      Depends…, if you want to send 10 million people back to Isaan to grow rice… You may keep the quarantine period for the vaccinated! Let’s remember that by next Summer, most Thai groups involved in the hospitality sector will be insolvent if no fresh, heavy spender tourists are coming!
      The vaccine will reduce the risk but covid is there to stay – likely forever.

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    Freedom

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 11:13 am

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
    Let anyone who wants to get it, they can get it, but I wont. Don’t worry if I got it or not, because if all the concerned and worried people already got it, then your all “safe”. The vacciniated people can’t get infected by someone infected apparently. So don’t force this on those who dont want it.
    I hope Thailand won’t require that.

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      Jon

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:04 pm

      I hope Thailand will require that.

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        SG666

        Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:44 pm

        There are 2 companies in LOScam who just announced they will start human trials. Maybe you register to get an experimental shot ?

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          Jon

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 12:21 am

          I certainly would.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:33 pm

      They want to force it because the whole covid panic was politicized from the very beginning. It was never about saving lives, but about people who consume too much media seeking validation for their irrational fears. They’re vindictively stupid. I find it terrifying.

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    Peter

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 11:48 am

    There is so much ignorance when it comes to vaccines that it is extremely difficult to get to the truth. First of all, a vaccination does not equal immunity. Even the vaccines that are supposed to be most effective have less than a 100% success rate and it is sometimes much, much lower. For each vaccine it is known that a certain number of people will be sickened or die from the vaccine itself and sometimes, as in the case of the Measles vaccine, more people die each year from the vaccine then the number of people who would die of Measles. There is also the fact that most vaccines trials are rigged and are not tested with an inert placebo. This is the case with the new “Covid” vaccines that are now being put forward as a cure or to make people “safe”. In fact, when looking at the official survival rates of even the most vulnerable people, which is 97% percent or better, people’s natural immunity is actually greater then the stated effectiveness of the vaccine! So why would any sane person take a new, rushed, experimental vaccine that has not been honestly tested and risk horrible side effects (or worse) when the survival rate is greater than the efficacy of the vaccine? And what country or business would force people to take that risk to be able to live a normal life? Does any of this make sense?

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      The Thaiger & The Nation

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 12:00 pm

      All current vaccine trials have included up to 50% placebo trial groups. We’re not sure who you are quoting with your information.

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        Preesy Chepuce

        Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:13 pm

        His information is pretty good, where do you get yours from? Pizza Hut?

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      Russell Gore

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 12:46 pm

      Lots of truth in your words. Who really knows the short cuts big pharma will take in the rush for the big pay off. As a retired travel proffessional I am pretty sure the age of cheap and easy world travel is now over. Making vaccination for this virus a requirement for entry along with the endless paper chase now required to enter Thailand will finish off general tourism here by foreigners.IMO Please note I can be wrong this is just what I think.

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    Peter

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 12:53 pm

    Please stop being so disingenuous. I said “inert placebo” such as a saline solution which is the only true way to evaluate a new medication or vaccine. You are supposed to be a news organization and you should be able to research these matters yourselves. But if you need a quote, here is one from MSN about the Astra-Zeneca trials:
    “The trials also didn’t use a simple placebo to measure efficacy. In the UK arm of the trial, volunteers were randomly assigned to receive the AZD1222 vaccine or the meningococcal vaccine, MenACWY. In the Brazil arm, the comparison group was given MenACWY for the first dose and a saline placebo for the second dose.”
    These trials were rigged and you would have to be crazy to take this new vaccine that has not been proven to be safe or to be as effective as natural immunity.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:29 am

      Those ARE placebos, FFS! Injecting a saline solution, as you suggest, wouldn’t make it a blind trial as those injected would know from the reaction (or lack of it) that they had the placebo – at least one of the jabs has to provoke a similar reaction to the vaccine to achieve that.

      Sorry, but while the vaccines may not be fully proven (which I agree with) the idea that they’re no more effective than “natural immunity” is just nonsense.

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        Preesy Chepuce

        Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:17 pm

        You don’t seem to have “read and understood” what he wrote John.

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          Issan John

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:31 am

          Ummm … I did, but what he wrote was to advocate a placebo that negated a blind trial.

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            Preesy Chepuce

            Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:26 pm

            His central claim is “most vaccines trials are rigged and are not tested with an inert placebo”

            The response was “All current vaccine trials have included up to 50% placebo trial groups”.

            He came back with “I said “inert placebo” such as a saline solution which is the only true way to evaluate a new medication or vaccine”
            &
            “The trials also didn’t use a simple placebo to measure efficacy. In the UK arm of the trial, volunteers were randomly assigned to receive the AZD1222 vaccine or the meningococcal vaccine, MenACWY. In the Brazil arm, the comparison group was given MenACWY for the first dose and a saline placebo for the second dose.”
            These trials were rigged”

            To which you retorted: “Those ARE placebos”

            The MSN news article adds:
            “n the UK trial, the vaccine — known as AZD1222, or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 — was given as a half dose, followed by a full dose around one month later, resulting in 90 percent efficacy. In the Brazil group, study participants were given two full doses at least one month apart, and the efficacy was 62 percent.

            The researchers aren’t sure why there was this striking gap in vaccine performance but said in a press conference that the half dose may better prime the immune system to respond to the second full vaccine.”

            I saw the interviews on telly with different scientists acknowledging this.

            So what is it that are you saying about “AZD1222, MenACWY,” and “MenACWY, Saline Placebo”?
            You seem so certain, but what you seem to be certain about doesn’t seem to match what scientists on the telly news were saying.

            Can you clarify what you (intended to) mean?

            Thaiger mentions “placebo groups”, but it’s not clear what they (intend to) mean by that either.

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    Neil Leathers

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    As I thought. I’ve been waiting for the quarantine period to be cut from 14/15 days to a more manageable one, given that I can’t travel for much more than a month altogether. Now there’s the promise of a vaccine it would seem likely that the stupid, ill-informed Thai authorities will scrap the current routine and demand proof of a vaccination before we are allowed to enter. I knew the vaccine would be a game changer, but not in this way. I won’t be 65 until March, so it looks as though my Thai girlfriend and our newly opening cafe in Chai Nat will have to wait a while longer. I haven’t been to Thailand since September 2019. The Thai government is heartless: millions are living in desperate times because their livelihoods have been wrestled away from them.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:40 am

      What’s “heartless” about protecting Thai people and the economy, particularly as that’s obviously what most Thais want?

      Anyone who’s married to a Thai or has a legitimate business here can come, and has been able to for months – that’s more than some other countries in Asean permit.

      If you’re not in one of those categories, your Thai g/f can always go to you if she wants to and if your country allows it.

      … and what’s to stop her opening her cafe in Chai Nat? … or do you not trust her with the money or intend working illegally?

      The problem seems to be rather closer to home …..

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        Peter

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:50 pm

        Well said, the Thai government has worked wonders for the general Thai population, no lockdowns, no enforced closures, and Industry free of restrictions (excepting the tourist sector, which has essentially been a sacrificial lamb) most western countries have also lost their tourist and International transport sectors, and are suffering just as much as, if not more than Thailand. Mr Leathers needs to take the rose coloured glasses off, and consider sending sponsorship payments to his GF if he’s so concerned for her wellbeing

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:23 pm

          Whether “the government” deserve all the praise or not is arguable, but “the general Thai population” have certainly done far more constructively to control Covid-19 than the West and the idea that they should be made to suffer in the same way the West is just because the West has failed so badly and some Western tourists want a cheap holiday is simply unconscionable.

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    Glenn

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    typical flu vaxes are barely 50% effective, viruses change over time, the CV strain hasn’t even been isolated, and vaxes typically take a few years of clinical trials before they are considered safe and able to be released to the public.

    less than 1% of the world population ever caught CV and that assumes one believes the ‘casedemic’ numbers from proven inaccurate PCR tests. and 0.018% is the fatality rate – yes that’s not even two one hundredths of one percent.
    WHY is a vax needed ???

    This is NOT about peoples health and welfare – Not Thai’s, not Europeans, no one.
    Masks don’t prevent viruses from going in or out. PCR tests are highly prone to false readings and the inventor said exactly that. The contagion rate and fatality rate are quite low. Social distancing doesn’t do anything and closing businesses and schools is highly disruptive, and wrecking economies cannot be about health and welfare of the people – quite the opposite!

    This IS about government control and more control. This is about changing social norms for the worse. This is a giant scam being run on the world.

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      The Thaiger & The Nation

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:06 pm

      January 2, 2020. The entire genome of the virus was published by Shi Zhengli, and has been checked by multiple labs around the world since.

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        Tony

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:59 am

        Hm, the Shi Yhengli miner hypotheses seems to explain a lot but is still a hypothesis while all labs around the world still confirm that the virus has not been isolated to date. In April medical journalist Hans U. P. Tolzin offered $100,000 to the first person to prove the existence of the virus. The money has not been claimed to date. And what is more, a PCR test, which all current measures are based on, cannot detect an infection or any viral load, it even says that on its leaflets. Calling PCR test positives “new infections” is dangerous misinformation. Massive law suites are currently being filed against the people spreading this misinformation and those who have marketed the test as something that can detect an infection. Canadian pathologist and CEO of a biotech company that manufactures PCR tests, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, recently said: “It’s the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on an unsuspecting public”. It is hard to tell right from wrong these days, but it is clear that the death curves show now difference to the average of previous years anywhere worldwide. There is no excess mortality.

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          Issan John

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:46 am

          Totally untrue.

          Dr. Roger Hodkinson did NOT say “It’s the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on an unsuspecting public” about Covid-19.

          Whether you’re aware of it or not, that’s AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

          What he ACTUALLY said was a “hoax”, etc, were the lockdowns, social distancing, use of masks, hand washing, etc, which he said didn’t work so in his view there was nothing that could be done until there was a vaccine.

          THAT’S WHAT HE SAID!!!

        • The Thaiger

          The Thaiger

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 12:35 pm

          Dr. Roger Hodkinson never said what you claim he said. You have misquoted him.

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        John Brown

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 12:39 pm

        This is false.

        The SARS2 genome was first published on 11 January by Zhang Yong-Zhen at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center.

        https://virological.org/t/novel-2019-coronavirus-genome/319

        The Center was forced to close one day later by the Chinese regime as punishment. Zhang is a global hero.

        https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

        Shi Zhengli, in the other hand, is a formerly an esteemed scientist who has disgraced herself by caving (no pun intended) to CCP pressure to put geopolitics before scientific evidence. But we won’t get into that here.

        Would appreciate a professional public acknowledgment of the correction, Thaiger.

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      Jon

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:10 pm

      Have a cup of tea.

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      SG666

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:33 pm

      Absolutely correct.

      The problem is only that the majority of the world population are stupid sheep who believe everything what their governments and sanctioned mainstream media are publishing.

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      Wayno

      Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:50 pm

      Uneducated opinions.

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      Tony

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:18 am

      Good to see there are still some people whose brain has not been eaten up by fear and panic and who are actually informed. Thanks, Glenn!

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    Laurent

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    I will never take this vaccin because it’s bullshit! We’re dealing with the flu! So, if Thailand won’t allow anti-vaxxers, I will never come back! Plenty of other destinations in the world do like my money 😉

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      Stephen Westrip

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:44 am

      Most countries, as has already been announced, are developing an electronic health passport/card and having the COVID vaccine will be an entry requirement for most countries. If you don’t want to have the vaccine then be prepared not to be able to go overseas any more.

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      Ria Kruger

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:01 am

      I thinkmso to…I am going now for 20,years to do bussiness. But if this is the case I will look for other places to do bussiness. I am a Christian and wil definitely not take the vaccine..

      • The Thaiger & The Nation

        The Thaiger & The Nation

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:01 am

        OK, I did Sunday school and all the God stuff when I was younger, my mother did the church flowers and we had the Minister around for morning tea on Sundays. Somehow, in all the passages of the Bible I had to wade through, I appear to have missed the bit “thou shalt not have a vaccine”. Can you refer me to the passage? In the Old or New Testament?

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          Mike Frenchie

          Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 11:22 pm

          Great answer!

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      Peter

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 2:04 pm

      Dealing with the flu? it’s not even in the same family of virus, personally I’m pleased you will not be back in Thailand, go to Brazil or Mexico instead, they aren’t too fussy who they let in, they’re already overrun with covid and have nothing to loose.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:37 pm

      Vaccine passport BS isn’t likely to last long anyway. By the time the vaccine is widely distributed, most countries will already be near herd immunity. I’d guess the West is halfway there.

      So the way I see it, plan to spend the next year or two in the Western hemisphere. Eventually the fear will evaporate and we’ll be free again, I hope…

      • The Thaiger & The Nation

        The Thaiger & The Nation

        Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:03 am

        Regarding your comment about herd immunity, around the world we’re not even at 1% of the world’s population being infected (It’s about 0.7% at the moment). To reach herd immunity you need to get to 60-80% of the population.

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          Don R

          Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:50 pm

          That’s based on “cases”, not infections.

          Others have suggested testing might be finding only 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 infections. WHO says 10% have been infected.

          Current rate of infection in W Europe and USA is simply not sustainable. At this rate, the virus will run out of bodies to infect within a year. The trend of exponential growth will deteriorate within a few months if not sooner. Many hard hit places are certainly already half way to herd immunity, and frankly, that’s enough. We don’t even need 70% to be immune. Half will be enough to dramatically slow this mild virus. 40% may already be resistant due to cross reactivity with antibodies from other coronavirus varieties which cause the common cold.

          All things considered, very soon you’ll be able to get back to not caring about the 9 million deaths from starvation each year.

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        Issan John

        Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:53 am

        According to all recent studies there is no “herd immunity” from Covid.

        It doesn’t exist, but was a false hope, nothing more.

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    zig

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    More confusion with no substance

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:57 am

      No need to be so tactful – it was just unsupported nonsense.

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    James

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    Seeing as we in the West will have access to one of the three(so far) available vaccines including the one from Oxford University which does not need any special storage facilities we will all be vaccinated well before Thailand has been vaccinated so we might decide to go to visit only countries which have also a vaccination policy in place.

    For instance, we have an order already in place for 100 million Oxford vaccines in the UK, we expect to start vaccinating people in December, so Thailand might be struggling to get their hands on a vaccine any time soon.

    In addition to the mass testing program tests on-demand are available here, for example, three members of my family booked tests online and we were tested three hours later, it is very easy to get tested here.

    Thailand should have a mass testing facility in place as we do in the UK and we can then really see how many people have actually got/had the virus as I do not believe the extremely small numbers published.

    I was in Thailand from January until the end of August this year and as far as I could see shops such as Tesco were packed with people so close to each other they were touching shoulds, this is still the case.

    The only testing done in Thailand en-mass is the thermometer test outside shops, most people with the virus do not have a temperature.

    So, in the end, the number of tourists actually going to Thailand will be our choice, not Thailand’s.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:50 am

      The “number of tourists actually going to Thailand” has ALWAYS been their choice!

      … and you seem somehow unaware that Thailand is to produce the AstraZeneca vaccine here, in Thailand, in factories already on-line to do just that and already has excellent, effective, well established mass vaccination programmes in place.

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        SG666

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 11:11 am

        Excellency and LOScam is contradicting each other

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:03 pm

      I’d just stay home for the next 2 years. The virus will fizzle out on its own, probably by the end of 2021, and then it’ll probably be another year before people regain their sense of reality.

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    AI

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    If there’s a choice between 15 days in a hotel room and taking a vaccine which was hastily put together (they usually take around 8 years or more to be tested before being issued to the general public) and minus any liabilty and mention of ingredients, I think many would prefer the 15 day sentence.
    Saying that, what toursit in the right mind would waste away 15 days in a locked up hotel room?! You might as well tell “any” tourists to basically take a walk!
    And all for something (in which many people – and more every day) which affects 0.02 – 0.05 percent of the general population! Ever get the feeling that “you’re being cheated”? (Fanx and a nod to Johny R/L)

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    Peter

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    Glenn is correct. Material was taken form the lungs of several sick people in China and some genetic material was extracted from that but no virus was isolated or purified and photographed so there is zero scientific evidence foe a novel coronavirus called “Covid-19”. Perhaps the Thaiger can back up its claim by publishing photos of the isolated virus? If not then you should stop making false claims. Put up or shut up.

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      SG666

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 7:47 am

      This is correct Peter, so the Thaiger, please show a photo of the isolated Virus. Or at least provide a reliable source. We are waiting for your discovery.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:58 am

      The information is readily available, and countless photographs have already been published. If you choose not to believe it and to think that the world’s run by Satan worshipping, baby eating paedophiles and is carried round on the back of a giant turtle, that’s entirely up to you.

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        Peter

        Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:40 pm

        So, Issan John, if the photos are so readily available then it should be easy for the Thaiger to print some right? We’re still waiting. By the way, I was trained in Virology and I have looked at every photo of isolated “Covid-19′ that I could find and there are not very many and they do not show isolated virus but are full of other cellular debris. Maybe that’s why both the US CDC and FDA, not to mention the British and Irish governments, have admitted that they do not have access to any isolated virus.

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          Issan John

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 12:10 pm

          Maybe, since your so keen on asking to be spoon fed, then saying it’s not to your taste when you are, you could give some evidence that “both the US CDC and FDA, not to mention the British and Irish governments, have admitted that they do not have access to any isolated virus.”

          … or maybe not, since it’s never happened apart from in your dreams.

          … and while you’re about it, maybe you could give and verify your qualification in “Virology” – I’ve been trained in flying, but that doesn’t make me a pilot!

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    Leo Z

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    There is another problem, peculiar to Thailand in fact. The mainland Chinese distrust their own vaccines (you can google “vaccine scandals China”) and will either try to grab the foreign vaccines or even forge fake vaccination certificates. If you think the latter is improbable or impossible, there have been cases where they forged Covid tests, from positive to negative. As far as the former, God help us all.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 11:01 am

      Not sure why that problem’s “peculiar to Thailand” – surely it’s peculiar to anywhere that has Chinese tourists?

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      They probably just won’t travel for the next year or two until the hysteria dies down and things return to normal.

      But who knows, people are so hysterical that we may never return to normal.

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    Wayno

    Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    I suspect that in 2021 most, if not all international air travel will require proof of Vax before you even check your bags in.
    It may even be imposed on air travel and cross border journeys within your own area – Europe, Asia etc.
    The anti vaxers will be forced to make a decision on wether or not they want to fly internationally again.

    Personally i do not have a problem with a Covid vaxination, due to my working in Africa frequently i already need to have Hep A,Hep B, Typhiod, Tetanus/Diphtheria/Polio, Rabies and Yellow fever.
    One more vax is no drama.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:57 pm

      Please stop referring to people as “anti-vax” just because they have ethics.

      It’s not ethical to force or coerce the entire population to take a vaccine that was rushed to market.

      Respiratory infections have always been one of the top three natural causes of death. However, it’s been more than 50 years since we had a serious flu pandemic. In the intervening years, people became accustomed to 9 million people dying of starvation. Thanks to our sensational news media, people have an irrational fear of a virus that has a 0.2% fatality rate and is all but certain to become just another cold/flu bug within 2 years. It’s sad really how many lives they’ve destroyed.

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      Preesy Chepuce

      Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:15 pm

      In the end, it all comes down to insurance, and airlines will have to just get people to show coverage and sign disclaimers, so the economy can resume.
      All these ideas about proof of this and that are a little pointless.

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    Jon

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 12:27 am

    And the rest of the population are brainless morons who believe all the BS they find on internet about Big Pharma and Bill Gates. I’ve chosen my camp.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:49 pm

      The reason I’m not afraid of covid and don’t want/need to get the vaccine is because I looked at the data. The Diamond Princess case study was a pretty clear: the vast majority of us are not at risk.

      I guess that makes me a conspiracy theory nut in your book.

      Give the vaccine to the vulnerable. Isolate the vulnerable. Give masks to the vulnerable. Leave me out of it.

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    Richard King

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:20 am

    That’s the point of the vaccine was to open up to travel as close as possible of pre covid, And think without it your cost of airfares without a full plane would make the cost of tickets goes up.
    Not only Thailand you will find other countries would have these rules in place and may flow on to cruises, train journeys.
    In Australia it has already stated that large events like concerts, shows and other performance would require people to be vaccinated as part of the sales of tickets. So you could avoid all of these but up to you.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:47 pm

      Well, that is the argument that Qantas is making, that we should force vaccines so they can get back to making money.

      The problem is that this approach disregards the most vulnerable who should get the vaccine first. 90+% of the population doesn’t really even need it.

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    Tony

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:04 am

    I see you don’t accept another opinion, no freedom of speech on Thethaiger. I have not insulted anyone, I just expressed a view that does not seem to be in line with your personal one, and you censor all my comments. That says it all about your magazine. Thank you.

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    ray

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:24 am

    It will be a good thing when international air travel will only available to vaccinated travelers. I am looking forward to a world where anti-vaxxers and conspiracy advocates are grounded (often, but not always they go together). Don’t want to come across them anywhere. They are like these brainwashed Jehova witnesses or Scientology followers.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:45 pm

      I’m not anti-vax, but I do have reservations about forcing or coercing our entire population to take a vaccine that was rushed to market. Seems unethical.

      It seems to me that people like you worship science like a religion, and use it to repress those who disagree with you. That’s dangerous.

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      Patjqm

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:40 pm

      For a virus 99.9% does not die from? Guess you are really afraid…

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    Ben

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:27 am

    Wayno is correct. We all have a choice and if you don’t want the vaccine then no problem. But you won’t be allowed to enter Thailand or most countries without it. There will be less Europeans and Americans visiting Thailand and more Asians because they culturally don’t have a problem with vaccines.

    If Thailand requires a quarantine on top of the vaccine then they’ll have few tourists.

    Right wing and anti-vaxxers state COVID-19 is like the flu. It kind of is except it’s a lot more infectious and and can be spread asymptomatically so many more people die. Those with the flu know it and take themselves out of circulation so the spread is less.

    We’ll never rid ourselves of COVID-19 permanently but with vaccinations, treatments and better testing it’ll become manageable like the flu is manageable and we can now see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    The vaccines fast time line just shows what people can do if they put their minds to it and cooperate in an emergency. There is no magic timeframe to develop a vaccine if you can think outside the box. With time conspiracy theorists will be proved wrong and it was human ingenuity that enabled a quick and effective solution.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:43 pm

      It’ll become manageable even without the vaccine.

      I have serious doubts about people who put such blind faith in science. From what I tell, those who crow the most about “following the science” are in fact promoting pseudoscientific experiments like lockdowns and mask mandates.

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        Ben

        Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:38 am

        Oh you mean like how it’s being managed in Europe and America now? Hospitals being overrun, people dying and businesses destroyed?

        What’s wrong with you? People like you try and deny the virus is a big problem. Then when tools like better tests and vaccines appear you try and discredit them. Then you criticize countries that have managed their COVID-19 situation well. What’s wrong with you? Somebody taking away your personal liberties bro?

        The Thai’s are looking at this and feel pretty good about their “management” of this situation. They think we’re idiots.

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    James Pate

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:55 am

    I can see it now- fake vaccination stamps and certificates. This will be a windfall for forgers and purveyors of fakes.

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    Mark

    Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    Perhaps to only good news to come out of this year is the potential grounding of the anti-vaxer brigade.

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      Don R

      Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 9:39 pm

      I’m not anti-vax, but I have reservations about forcing or coercing the entire population to take a vaccine that was rushed to market.

      Seems unethical.

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    AI

    Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:34 pm

    I don’t understand what the big deal is. If you’re happy taking your vaccine, well so be it and then you will be safe, right?

    And those who don’t wish to be injected with a nice cocktail made in a lab, then so be it too – end of story.
    The “stick me” crowd have nothing to fear once they are loaded up-end of story.
    It seems almost as if they want to see everyone else doing the same, and wonder just why? Is it a deep unseated, unconscious desire to see that everyone else gets the same as they did just in case it all goes wrong?
    BTW – Doesn’t “forced, coerced and mandated vaccination” violates the principles of the Nuremberg Code?

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 8:48 pm

      Not sure why you “don’t understand” as it’s not complicated.

      No vaccines are 100% effective, so if a vaccine stops transmission then the more people that have it, the more everyone’s protected.

      As for your BTW, AFAIK no-one’s suggesting there should be “forced, coerced and mandated vaccination” but if there were it’s unlikely the Nuremberg Code would be “violated” as it only applies to “Permissible Medical Experiments”, nor has anyone accepted it as law or even ethical guidelines anyway.

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    les

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:33 am

    No vaccine, no boarding. No passenger, no airline. Big talk from Qantas.

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      EdwardV

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:34 am

      Qantas seems to have only succeeded in cutting their own throat. They did so expecting others to follow suit. Unfortunately none did so and in fact one of the main U.K. travel agencies announced they would stop booking with Qantas. On the flip side Delta airlines just cut a deal with Italy (yes a private company cut a deal when a sovereign country) to allow no quarantine no vaccinated travel between Atlanta and Rome. Of course the two countries have to open up again but that just a question of when. Don’t get me wrong I have no problem with a country demanding a vaccine for travelers or a quarantine for that matter. At the same time travels get to choose if they will accept that or go somewhere else too.

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    Joe

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:11 am

    Considering how over the top paranoid the Thais are of foreigners having the virus, they are going to freak out if anyone still gets the virus after the vaccinations have been implemented,this will undoubtably happen, will the borders close then again?

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    Preesy Chepuce

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    So is thethaiger now subsumed into the obnoxious ThaiVisa empire? If so… that’s a great shame.

    • The Thaiger

      The Thaiger

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:07 pm

      Umm not sure what your question is. Thaiger has nothing to do whatsoever with Thai Visa.

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    Patrick Kelly

    Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:07 am

    There will be constant border adjustments for years the way things are going. Not a pretty picture for the state of tourism. Vaccination is not the end all to be all. If you have zero Covid tolerance, you will take your economy into the doldrums until you learn how to deal with the annual Covid flare ups .

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    Dr.t

    Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:50 am

    The big island of Hawaii has a policy of a negative test 72 hours before flight and a rapid antigen test upon arrival. Their economy, like ThIaland’s, is tourist dependent as well. The tourists are flooding back with several plane loads a day. Quarantine is strictly enforced if either test is negative. Fines are strict and imposed and the caseload here is minimal. People abide by the face mask rule in public and the public itself enforces compliance. It is a success story Thailand could emulate.

    More secure than a vaccination certificate would be an antibody passport which is proof at least temporarily of immunity. Those who have had the disease and those whose vaccinations have succeeded would be easily identifiable. The test is much more accurate that a vaccine percentage estimate. By the way it is only when antibodies are present that there is a guarantee of safety. T cells cannot be easily measured and do not confer as effective immunity as antibodies. Antibody passports are already being used locally in the US. They are practical and exact.

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      EdwardV

      Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:00 am

      The county of Hawaii (the Big Island), got rid of their mandatory post travel test a few weeks ago. Seems they didn’t want to spend all the money for something that had in a month only caught a few people. They replaced it with a random test of 25% of all incoming passengers. However your main point is correct, they have successfully reopened for about a month and half now without a rise in cases. Fact is most cases are still being transmitted from locals to locals. Not from incoming tourists. The only change in rules state wide since opening has been to require a passing Covid test prior to boarding the plane. Prior you just needed to have passed prior to arrival to avoid quarantine and could be let out of quarantine upon getting a passing test. Now you arrive without it and it’s mandatory 14 days. Of course with Hawaii its not like you are locked away with guards. Keep in mind that’s been the rule since they locked down back in March (technically they can’t stop anyone from traveling to Hawaii, only had the right to enforce rules once you get there). I just returned from two weeks last Tuesday.

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    AliL

    Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:07 am

    Staggering amount of negativity here, amazing how many think they know more about vaccines than the worlds’ finest scientists and medical experts.

    Thailand has to get tourism back as soon as possible, if I have been vaccinated, test negative before I depart, and test negative again when I arrive, then I do not have Covid and there is no reason why I shouldn’t be allowed in without quarantine.

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    Shabbadabbadoo

    Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:36 am

    Jesus. Thaiger when did you start letting in the thaivisa crowd for their positive and informed opinions.. knowing the type of ridiculous responses I’ll get to this i wont even check to be honest. But guys knowing the government(or at least a division) are reading these comments the least you can do is show some form of respect for the country you have chosen to settle in, benefitted from during this period and at least acknowledge they haven’t done a half bad job at keeping those of us who have chosen to call Thailand home safe.. even if we are unintended indirect beneficiaries of a wider approach. As what i would define a ‘new age expat’ calling Thailand and all its facets(good and bad) home for the forseeable future i appreciate the gifts this country has provided us during what would otherwise be a largely dark and desperate period in our own countries. I look forward to a bright future as things slowly get back to normal and hope those affected can find their way once again. And for those thinking I have had it good the last 12 months I have lost a sister who’s funeral i couldn’t attend due to covid, lost my business and just lost my house here. So from someone who has more reason that most to complain can we try to keep it more positive for the greater mental good of our expat colleagues? Thank You.

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The Thai government threw a tourist party (sound of crickets) | VIDEO

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The Thai Government, flushed with the success of their containment of Covid-19, decided to market the Land of Smiles to the world as the safe place to travel. With the annual wet season starting to weaken the tourists would flock back to the S E Asian country that had such a remarkable success containing, then almost eradicating itself, of the coronavirus.

Then they came up with the STV – the special tourist visa which would have the world’s eager travellers packing their sun cream for up to 270 days of Thai tourism.

There were promises of plane loads of tourists and even published flights and carriers. A few flights arrived, most didn’t.

In fact, since the start of the STV, the Special Tourist Visa, with its long list of restrictions and requirements, was floated, along with a re-vamped Tourist Visa, less than 400 people have arrived per month, on average, since the end of October. In the October and November of the year before more than 3 million people arrived in Thailand. Even the government’s limit of 1,200 new tourist arrivals per month was even slightly tested.

The government had bought all the streamers and a pretty new dress for the party but no one came.

What went wrong?

Where was the much-anticipated pent-up demand and people banging on the doors of the world’s Thai embassies?

It was the European winter and the ‘snowbirds’ would surely be back to soak in some Thai sun rays. But no.

The first problem was there wasn’t much for them to come back to. They would have the beaches of the islands all to themselves, they wouldn’t have to wait in line for anything, the domestic airlines were still selling low fares to Tavel anywhere around the country.

But otherwise there wasn’t a lot for them to do. The tourism magnets were a shadow of their former selves. Walking Street, Bangla Road, tours and tour boats, all the tourist strip restaurants. The buzz of the crowds was gone and more than 90% of the tourist-related business had closed up.

Their staff, their families, their bank loans, their stock and investments – all on hold and forced to find come other means to make ends meet. 931 of some of the larger official tourism operators have now gone out of business, according to Bloomberg News. There would be thousands of the smaller family operations that have also been swept aside by the Thai government’s responses to the world pandemic.

 

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A travel pass for passengers inoculated against Covid-19 or who have tested negative will be piloted on flights for Dubai’s Emirates and Abu Dhabi’s Etihad Airways. With the travel pass issued by the International Air Transport Association, passengers can keep control of their data and share their test results with airlines and authorities for travel.

The travel pass will be offered on selected flights from Abu Dhabi in the first quarter, and will expand the pass to other destinations of the trail is successful. Emirates is going to implement phase 1 of the travel pass in April for flights departing from Dubai.

Recently, the IATA travel pass programme has been also tested in International Airlines Group and Singapore Airlines.

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Outbreak in Samut Sakhon is “worrying,” CCSA spokesperson says

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While the number of daily new Covid-19 cases continues to drop, health officials are still scrambling to contain the virus in the prime hotspot: Samut Sakhon. The outbreak in the coastal fishing province is “worrying,” according to Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration spokesperson Taweesilp Visanuyothin.

Health officials rolled out a proactive mass testing campaign after a spike of Covid-19 cases in mid-December. The vast majority of cases were concentrated around the Central Shrimp Market in the Mahachai fishing hub, which affected a large migrant population. The virus has since spread to 61 of Thailand’s 77 provinces.

With the help of proactive testing, more than 4,000 cases were reported in Samut Sakhon. Field hospitals have been set up on the fly to treat and quarantine those that are infected.

But public health officials are still racing to test as many people in the province as possible with plans to inspect 600 factories and test 50 factory workers per day. There are 12,000 factories in Samut Sakhon and Taweeslip says health officials are speeding up testing to “isolate infected people as soon as possible.”

“The outbreak in Samut Sakhon is worrying. It is difficult to conduct active case-finding there. There are many obstacles, including the number of factories… Meanwhile, factory owners and workers must cooperate. There are more than 10,000 small factories where 1-200 people are employed.”

SOURCE: Bangkok Post

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