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Thailand’s mandatory quarantine for those entering the country could be reduced from 14 days to 10 days or even less if new Covid-19 testing kits are reliable, according to Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul.

The new Covid-19 testing kits are in the process of being developed by the Public Health Ministry. Nation Thailand didn’t report on many details about the test, but say it doesn’t require blood to be drawn and isn’t a swab test. It should take about 3 to 5 days to produce an accurate result.

The ministry has been talking about cutting the quarantine period in half, down to 7 days, for tourists they say are at a “low-risk” of spreading the virus. But changes must be made to the quarantine system to make sure shortening the isolation period doesn’t lead to any new transmissions, according to the deputy director-general of the ministry’s Department of Disease Control, Tanarak Plipat.

“7 day quarantine is possible in the case of areas with very low infections. But it doesn’t mean that we will no longer have additional controls. If we do it, we must redesign the quarantine system, together with measures to monitor those people to make sure the country is safe from the outbreak.”

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    Fabian

    October 16, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    Good timing with the emergency decree. Bring on the tourists!

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    Jamespc

    October 16, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    It doesn’t matter if they reduce the quarantine period the govt. have to be realistic about insurance. My travel insurance covers me for up to 10m GBP but Thai govt. Will not accept it. Why? Simple they want to make money on selling their own insurance. It’s the same with the hotels and flights. They are shooting themselves in the foot. Thailand will never regain its foreign tourists because they are treating us deplorably.

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      Issan John

      October 16, 2020 at 6:36 pm

      “My travel insurance covers me for up to 10m GBP but Thai govt. Will not accept it. Why?”

      Because it can’t be readily verified and you could have written and printed it yourself.

      It’s really pretty simple, which is why other countries have similar policies.

      Thailand’s handling of issues such as the extension of visas for those already here and the absurd STV saga has been little less than deplorable, but for “foreign tourists” thinking about coming here the hurdles and restrictions, and the need for them, are the same in Cambodia, Vietnam or Bali.

      If that doesn’t suit you then you can always go elsewhere, but I doubt many of the 40 million tourists that came here last year will be going to the Virgin Islands instead.

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        EdwardV

        October 16, 2020 at 11:44 pm

        John, To be fair it’s pretty easy to verify insurance quality and coverage. It can be done as part of the pre-travel documentation to getting a visa. After all there is only a handful of companies who do international health insurance with covid-19 coverage. As to Cambodia, they don’t require you purchase from their local company. It is offered and the price is right there on the embassy website, but you are able to supply outside coverage.

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          Issan John

          October 17, 2020 at 2:25 am

          Sorry, I beg to differ and actually it’d be a great deal of work – with no readily available database it would mean verifying every certificate individually, from every country – not just the country of origin or even the country flown from.

          Why should any embassy have to do that?

          As for Cambodia, i) they aren’t allowing in any tourists at all yet, ii) hospital costs for the sponsored businessmen they are letting in have to also be guaranteed by their sponsor, and iii) they also have to put down a deposit of $2,000 ($3,000 for tourists, once permitted) to cover any costs from quarantine in a hotel, to quarantine in a “state facility”, to hospital costs.

          Cambodia makes Thailand’s requirements look simple (and cheap).

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          Issan John

          October 17, 2020 at 5:07 am

          … and although you’re correct that that’s what the website says, it also says it’s subject to being updated. If you plough through all the attached updates there from the various ministries you’ll find in the small print of the update from the Health Ministry dated 26 June that the only insurance accepted is from ‘Forte Insurance’ at a cost of $90.

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        Stephen Westrip

        October 17, 2020 at 2:04 am

        What absolute rubbish! It is pretty easy for the Thai Embassy in a country to know which are reputable insurers and which are not.

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          Issan John

          October 17, 2020 at 2:34 pm

          Of course it’s “pretty easy”, but then you’re making each Thai embassy the arbiter of who’s a reputable insurer or not, with all the scope for corruption that entails.

          You’re also ignoring the reality that far from all tourists and visitors arrive in Thailand (or anywhere else) from their home country, and plenty will have medical insurance from other countries. Most long-stay Brits in Thailand using BUPA, for example, will use BUPA Thailand for their insurance rather than BUPA UK as it’s considerably cheaper for Brits, for what’s required, even if you factor in things like Forces’ discounts.

          You’re also ignoring, crucially, that most insurers will be unable to make the required information readily available for Thai embassies or immigration to check as doing so and giving them access to their databases would break their own countries’ data protection laws.

          It would simply be impossible for the embassies and immigration to check 40 million policies a year, from countless different insurers world-wide, even if they wanted to.

          … but, of course, every one coming to Thailand may be honest and it wouldn’t cross their minds to just PhotoShop their own insurance certificate … after all, no-one on a retirement extension ever did that with their pension statements when they could, and no-one’s have ever tried to leave a hospital in Thailand without paying the bill …

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        Sash

        October 18, 2020 at 10:12 am

        They’ve accepted my insurance, twice now, and the COE process has been rather simple on both occasions through 2 different embassy’s.
        I’m about to enter Thailand for the 2nd time since the Covid saga. Unless your policy specifically states you’re covered for Covid-19 they wont accept it.
        My guess, you’re not covered for Covid, or there’s no mention of it in the information you supplied.

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    Issan John

    October 16, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    Not a blood or swab test? That cuts down the options where bodily fluids are concerned …

    … and 3 to 5 days for test results cuts down the options too …

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    Jack Sombra

    October 16, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    3-5 days for result? And test that not blood or swab? Err so what is it? Slow Magic? My bullshit sense is going haywire

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    EdwardV

    October 16, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    I don’t see going from 14 to 10 or even 7 days making any real difference. At 7 days you are still not in the range that would draw the typical 30 day tourist. Few if any are willing to loose some 40% of their vacation days between traveling and quarantine. That’s not even taking into account all the extra cost and requirements to travel to Thailand in the first place. Better to just go somewhere that doesn’t have a quarantine, or wait till the spring when a vaccine is available to the average tourist. As long as any quarantine is in place, any numbers will be depressed. The question is there an acceptable level of trade off, or is it better to just leave it as it is and wait for a vaccine? Since that’s not a realistic option unless you want to commit economic suicide, some number less 7 is probably advisable. The only question is where is that sweet spot?

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      Andy

      October 17, 2020 at 1:14 am

      Also ich werde sicher erst wieder nach Thailand reisen wenn diese Quarantäne nicht mehr besteht. Sehr zum Leidwesen meiner Bekannten dort. Habe nur 26 Tage bezahlten Urlaub im Jahr…… Werde wohl oder übel auf den Impfstoff warten. Hoffentlich fällt den thail. Behörden dann nicht noch ein neuer Blödsinn ein um uns dreckige und stinkende Farang abzuhalten als Touristen wieder einzureisen. Die setzen ja lieber auf reiche Qualitätstouristen. Aber bis diese in ausreichender Anzahl überhaupt einreisen muß sich im Land infrastrukturmäßig einiges ändern. Da reicht es nicht mal eben Luxushotels hinzustellen. Und da dieser Plan höchstwahrscheinlich nicht aufgeht ist mann vielleicht doch über uns Billigtouristen froh. Denn oft macht auch die Menge den Umsatz und nicht die wenigen.

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      Stephen Westrip

      October 17, 2020 at 2:07 am

      7 days does start to make the ASQ hotels more affordable though

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      Issan John

      October 17, 2020 at 2:48 pm

      Sorry, EdwardV, I missed your “wait till the spring when a vaccine is available to the average tourist.”

      I’m far from sure that will make any difference to travel to Thailand or anywhere else – not so much because of the problems of verifying a vaccination, but because of the doubt over whether any vaccination will prevent TRANSMISSION rather than INFECTION. I don’t know if they will or not, or if some will be better than others.

      I would have thought it more likely to be “wait till the spring when a vaccine is available to the average THAI.”

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        EdwardV

        October 17, 2020 at 10:57 pm

        Ok but if you have been vaccinated and tested to show you don’t have the virus, what is the issue? It’s highly likely Thailand would still require a test prior to travel for entry. Not a big issue for travelers. The idea you need to wait till Thais are vaccinated just went out the window with the country setting up a travel bubble with China.

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    Laurent Visser

    October 17, 2020 at 2:39 am

    If I have to go into quarantine for 1 minute I won’t come to Thailand

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    Issan John

    October 17, 2020 at 3:01 am

    Agreed with you, down to the “trade off”.

    The problem isn’t just balancing the loss of tourists against possible deaths.

    It’s balancing the loss of tourists against the loss of schools, unis and education that the West has had – except Thailand can’t teach on-line as it isn’t available for many students; the loss of jobs and income as bars, restaurants, gyms, dentists and hairdressers have to close as they have in the West to stop the spread of Covid-19 – except Thailand can’t afford to pay “furloughed” or unemployed staff, like the West, so they’ll simply be jobless with no salary; the loss of production in factories as staff fall ill, as they have in the West, or they’re told to self-quarantine as they’ve been in contact with them – except Thailand can’t afford to pay sick leave, like the West, so they’ll either have to lose their jobs or risk working; and the loss of tourists when, like the West, they have to impose lockdowns and curfews because they relaxed their border controls too soon …..

    In the very short term it may save some of the tourist industry, but the numbers are still likely to be low due to the global recession and a reluctance to travel, but in the medium to long term it would be an economic and social disaster that would take decades to recover from, not just years.

    Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam are all in the same boat, as are places like Bali to a lesser extent.

    The winner will be the country that can hold its nerve and survive until a vaccine or better tests are found, and that can afford to support those affected until then. Financially, Thailand’s far better placed than anyone else, but whether the leadership can hold their nerve looks unlikely.

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      Kris

      October 17, 2020 at 6:59 am

      John, I know that many countries still closed borders, so can not blame Thailand. Only difference is other countries simply closed and not talking about opening at this stage, some countries like singapore opend to some with catious already, whereas Thailand just making itself fools ( i mean not thais but those in govt departments) , absoloutely dumb contradting statement ,like people speaking different languages at babylon and not understand each other.

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        Issan John

        October 17, 2020 at 2:37 pm

        Agreed 100% – as I say, at length, elsewhere!

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      EdwardV

      October 17, 2020 at 7:34 am

      John, I get where you and coming from , and don’t really disagree. That said it appears Thailand doesn’t as there are reports (Bloomberg) that Thailand has agreed to open a tourist bubble with China. Of course that does away with any quarantine. That rational is the Chinese only do two week trips so to get their sweet sweet tourist money Thailand will not require any quarantine at all. Says other SE Asian countries will follow. Testing and tracking only. The flood gates to open in two weeks

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        EdwardV

        October 17, 2020 at 8:17 am

        Sorry it’s two months not two week. That’s what I get for posting from memory. My bad. The travel bubble expected to open in January to catch in time to save the second half of the high season.

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        Issan John

        October 17, 2020 at 4:00 pm

        As discussed elsewhere, opening to China makes absolute sense for everybody.

        Very low risk, as close to guaranteed testing and tracking before departure and after arrival as you can get, and vast numbers.

        I’d prefer to wait as I think the risks are still too high, but it makes sense.

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          EdwardV

          October 17, 2020 at 11:11 pm

          You mean except for the fact you have been arguing about the absolute need to keep the 14 day quarantine with no exception for weeks now. So much so you even wrote a very good article to that point. However Thailand has cut you off at the knees with its upcoming travel bubble. The idea it’s ok because it’s with China also doesn’t hold water since Thailand will soon be setting them up with other countries. It’s not that I disagree with your original point, its just that events have rendered it obsolete. Hordes of un-quarantined Chinese tourists will soon be mingling with locals. It will be interesting to see what happens next on several issues.

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    Craig Sharman

    October 17, 2020 at 3:52 am

    So… Can someone please make it clear to me,,,, I get confused easily, lol especially by what’s happening in Thailand now. Visa’s, insurance?.
    I’m not rich, a normal hard working bloke.
    I’m married to a Thai, have a child together, I have marriage papers etc.
    So, what is needed for me to get there?, or is it impossible? Thanks in advance.

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      Issan John

      October 17, 2020 at 3:54 pm

      Money.

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    Ben

    October 18, 2020 at 12:45 am

    The Thai’s want certainty in a world of uncertainty. They’ve chosen for now to have 80% of their economy running and keep the virus out similar to most, if not all, countries in the region. They’re trying to figure out how to open up safely and finding safety and making it seamless for visitors don’t mix easily and they’re getting lots of criticism for it. I applaud them for at least trying to figure it out.

    Over time the economic pain will loosen their need for absolute certainty. At the same time additional tools such as vaccines, anti-viral treatments, more accurate tests, etc. will be developed and help the them, and the rest of the world, move towards a new normal. Thailand will suffer economic damage and re-emerge just like the rest of the world. It just won’t happen in 2020.

    For those that think Thailand will lose tourists because of their approach, they’re wrong plain and simple. 3 years from now they’ll have more tourists than ever as the things that make it a tourist mecca will not disappear. For those that decide not to go, they’ll be many happy to take their place.

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    Jason

    October 18, 2020 at 6:52 am

    The WHO has just given approval for a rapid Covid test that gives a result in 15-30 minutes with the same accuracy as a PCR Test. Produce the test kits or get them on order. There exists now a reliable and rapid test for Covid. Use it at airports of entry. Test positive = go into quarantine. Test negative = enjoy your holiday. So there is really no excuse the Thai Government now has to kill off the kingdom’s tourism industry. Rapid testing is the answer. A vaccine could be years away and no country has that long to wait.

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      Ben

      October 18, 2020 at 10:22 am

      From Harvard Health Publishing (Harvard Medical School) regarding PCR tests:

      “Results may also be affected by the timing of the test. For example, if you are tested on the day you were infected, your test result is almost guaranteed to come back negative, because there are not yet enough viral particles in your nose or saliva to detect. The chance of getting a false negative test result decreases if you are tested a few days after you were infected, or a few days after you develop symptoms.”

      Many returning to Thailand have tested negative before and after arrival and then tested positive during the quarantine.

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Caitlin Ashworth is a writer from the United States who has lived in Thailand since 2018. She graduated from the University of South Florida St. Petersburg with a bachelor’s degree in journalism and media studies in 2016. She was a reporter for the Daily Hampshire Gazette In Massachusetts. She also interned at the Richmond Times-Dispatch in Virginia and Sarasota Herald-Tribune in Florida.

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9 new Covid-19 cases were detected in Thai quarantine facilities, including a patient who may have been infected with the virus a second time, or never fully recovered, according to the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration. Most of the cases were army engineers travelling from South Sudan.

Thailand’s total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases is now at 3,700 with 3,491 recoveries and 59 deaths. 150 people are still receiving medical treatment.

  • 6 army engineers, ages 25 to 49, travelling from South Sudan tested positive for Covid-19. They arrived on October 12 and they tested positive 3 days later while in quarantine in Chon Buri. They were admitted to Phramongkutklao Hospital in Bangkok.
  • 2 people travelling from the United Arab Emirates tested positive for Covid-19. They both arrived in Thailand on October 9 and tested positive 7 days later. A 25 year old masseuse was first diagnosed with Covid-19 on September 1. After arriving in Thailand, she reported symptoms of a cough and headache. She was quarantined in Bangkok and admitted to the Central Chest Institute in the Nonthaburi province, just outside Bangkok, for treatment. A 22 year old student tested positive while quarantined in Bangkok. He was also admitted to the Central Chest Institute.
  • A 26 year old woman travelling from Oman tested positive for Covid-19. She arrived on October 14 and tested positive for the virus 4 days later. She was quarantined in Chon Buri and then admitted to a hospital in Samut Prakan.

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Half the population in Thailand will be injected with the Covid-19 vaccine once it’s released and available to the public, Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul says. Oxford University and the pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca are conducting trails of the new vaccine. Thailand is planned to be the Southeast Asia production site for the new vaccine.

The health minister says the vaccine will be first used on Thai nationals who are in their mid-60s and then the ministry will work to make sure at least 50% of the population is injected with the vaccine.

The Public Health Ministry is also going through the World Health Organisation’s COVAX facility to make sure there is a sufficient supply of a vaccine. The ministry’s deputy permanent secretary Supakit Sirilak says about 65 million doses will be needed for Thailand, adding that 40% will be reserved with COVAX, 40% will go to AstraZeneca and 20% will go to other sources.

Siam Bioscience will be producing the vaccine in Thailand. Director of the National Vaccine Institute Nakorn Premsri says they have the potential to produce up to 200 million doses. Production is expected to start in mid-2021.

“Once the technology transfer agreement is signed, the Thai side will have to be trained on production processes. AstraZeneca’s vaccine is expected to pass Phase 3 testing and production should start in December. After that it needs to register with the FDA in the UK and Thailand, before we can start producing the vaccine mid next year.”

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“We were really hoping to crater the cases in preparation for a bad winter. We’ve done basically the opposite.”

New Covid-19 cases are again surging in many countries. Globally, the number of infected people exceeded 40 million as of last night with new infections starting to accelerate again. Today the total number of confirmed cases around the world is 40,323,461. The number of total deaths remains at 1,118,826 and recovered patients at 30,135,040 (as of 4pm Thai time).

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Notably, the death rate from Covid-19 is not rising as treatment for complicated cases continues to rapidly improve. The US, India, Russia, Brazil, the rest of South America, and parts of Europe and the UK, are the current ‘hot spots’ (below).

Regionally, the surge of cases in Myanmar is causing headaches for Thai border officials in the north west of the country. The Governor of Tak decided to close the border checkpoints this morning. But the 2,000 kilometre long land border between Thailand and Myanmar has many unofficial “Natural” crossing points.

In the US, the nation’s top infectious disease doctor, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, says following public health measures is the way out of the crisis that has hobbled the economy, claimed thousands of lives and sickened millions.

“The predicted fall surge is here, and rising cases across the US appear to bear that out.”

The US is averaging more than 55,000 new cases a day, and 10 states reported their highest single-day cases counts last Friday. As of this morning, US time, there were more than 8.5 million cases and 219,674 coronavirus deaths, according to Worldometers.info

“The Covid-19 crisis would have to be ‘really, really bad’ to implement a national lockdown. Despite the climbing totals, a nationwide lockdown is not the way forward unless the pandemic gets “really, really bad.”

Tara Smith, a professor of epidemiology at Kent State University says the worst fears of rising cases, leading into winter, are being realised.

“We were really hoping to crater the cases in preparation for a bad winter. We’ve done basically the opposite.”

After hitting an all-time high in July, cases did drop significantly, but the US never reached a level where the public health system could truly get a handle on the outbreak or describe it as ‘contained’.

Now infections are on the rise again, driven by ballooning outbreaks across the country’s interior, especially in the Midwest, the Great Plains and the West.

Contributing to the rise is the return of students to schools and campuses across the country, puzzling resistance to social distancing and mask wearing recommendations, and more people spending time in restaurants and other indoor settings as the weather starts to cool down.

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