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Thai police arrest 35 people for allegedly spreading fake news on Covid-19

Caitlin Ashworth

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Thai police arrested 35 people for allegedly spreading false information about the coronavirus. Some posts shared online claimed that migrant workers had broken out of a quarantine facility, another claimed that the coronavirus is actually not a virus, but a bacteria somehow connected to 5G spectrum radio frequencies.

Only 4 people actually wrote posts online with false information while the other 31 people shared fake news posts. Digital Economy and Society Ministry’s Anti-Fake News Centre and the National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission teamed up with police for the crackdown on fake news regarding the pandemic.

Those who wrote the posts will be charged with violating the Computer Crime Act and the Emergency Decree. They could face up to 5 years in prison and a fine up to 100,000 baht, according to the chief liason officer for the Anti-Fake News Centre, Phanthana Nuchanart.

“Those who shared fake news were let off with a warning but were told to delete or edit their posts…Please verify the information you receive with related agencies before posting or sharing to avoid breaking the law.”

SOURCE: Nation Thailand

 

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52 Comments

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    Siso

    Friday, February 5, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    Unbelievable that this shit already starts…
    so anything that isn’t approved of by the so called fact and truth checkers will be punished. Very, very dangerous road to take, not long and you won’t be even able to ask questions anymore. And for people cheerng this on and praising these kind of totalitarian rules remeber that you will be next in line to be silenced, cancelled and shutdown its just a matter of time

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    Issan John

    Friday, February 5, 2021 at 6:33 pm

    I could suggest a good few they could arrest here! 😮

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      Slugger

      Friday, February 5, 2021 at 6:41 pm

      On a certain website I would agree. More amature virologists than enough.

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      Siso

      Friday, February 5, 2021 at 7:08 pm

      You’re a moron John for wishing such things, the road this could lead to is very dangerous for everyone, even you

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        Issan John

        Friday, February 5, 2021 at 7:16 pm

        What’s “dangerous” is morons saying that there’s no virus, that it’s never been isolated, that the WHO have said PCR tests don’t work, and some of the other crap posted here.

        If those who keep on insisting that’s the case, even when they’ve been spoon fed the evidence, get put away for continuing to do so after they’ve been warned then I’ve got no sympathy for them at all. They’re deliberately putting other people’s lives at risk, and that should be stopped.

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          Peter Nielsen

          Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 8:56 am

          Well, the Serum Institute here in Denmark certainly has stated that there exists no proof of the virus. This doesnt mean it doesnt exist, it merely means that there exists no proof of its existence, no golden standard. With regard to the PCR test, both the Dutch and Portuguese high courts have disqualified the PCR test as it is used for covid19. Far too many cycles are run, and the Portuguese high court themselves stated that 97% are false positives. Also, a paper on the problem about running more than 28 cycles has recently been published in New England Journal of Medicine.
          I can only urge you to read more about this whole corona circus. The deeper you dig into it…

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            Issan John

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 10:09 am

            That’s odd, Peter N.

            I just did a search for “serum institute denmark no proof of corona virus” and while they’ve clearly never made any such statement they’re busy testing and doing genome sequencing identifying different strains and publishing the results.

            … it’s difficult to work out why or how they could do that if they had no proof of its existence.

            So unless there’s a different “Serum Institute”, or a different Denmark, you lied.

            “With regard to the PCR tests”, your version of events is incorrect. Another lie.

            We’ve been down this road before and I quoted the court ruling.
            It wasn’t based on the PCR tests’ reliability, although the judges said they were “arguable” as they’d been “argued”in court, but was because under Spanish and Portugese law the tests and order for quarantine have to be made under the direct supervision of a qualified and registered doctor and they weren’t.

            The “the Portuguese high court themselves” NEVER “stated that 97% are false positives” – one of the witnesses arguing the case did.

            Their ruling had nothing to do with the PCR tests at all – PCR tests simply weren’t the issue, which was the absence of a registered doctor’s supervision.

            Nothing else.

            You lied.

            … and I did a search for “new england journal of medicine pcr tests 28 cycles” and the ONLY reference to there being any “problem” in the first half dozen articles is IF the manufacturers’ instructions for use aren’t followed.

            So, in simple terms, you lied. You lied repeatedly.

            As I’ve said, also repeatedly, you’re fully entitled to your opinion and to express it but by saying that all these respected organisations / people have said something similar to you you’re no longer just voicing your opinion.

            You’re lying about what they said, because they have more credibility than you (or me).

            That’s what’s dangerous, as it isn’t a matter of opinion but of verifiable fact as you’re lying about what they said – and that’s what shouldn’t be allowed.

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            Tony

            Monday, February 8, 2021 at 8:29 am

            You should be locked up lol.

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          Rick

          Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 3:42 pm

          Well John, if this was really about people spreading fake news and disinformation then you would undoubtably be on the top of the list. Censorship is never about defending truth but about covering it up. As for your “spoon fed” evidence, for every claim you make I can provide counter evidence and experts who can attest to the very opposite of what you contend, so your “evidence’ is up for dispute, at best. Your arrogant claims that only your point of view and only your “evidence” is the absolute truth discredits you more than anything I could say. And what are YOUR credentials John?
          By the way, the lockdowns are resulting in many deaths and and will, no doubt, kill more people and destroy many more lives, so those who are constantly calling for and approving of lockdowns are also “diliberately putting other people’s lives at risk” and are just as “dangerous”, if not more so, as those you call “morons”. Take a nice long look in the mirror John, you disingenuous arrogant shill.

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            Issan John

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 10:41 am

            As with Manu et al, Rick, feel free to quote anything I’ve said that has been “fake news”.

            Anything at all.

            … and to “provide counter evidence and experts who can attest to the very opposite of what you contend”.

            Any at all. Just one example would do.

            … and my “credentials” are unimportant.

            What’s important are the credentials of those I cite and quote, all of which are easily verifiable as is what they said ….

            … and while the credentials of those you, Manu, Peter N, etc cite are equally verifiable, what you say they’ve said is all too often a lie.

            … as is what you say I “claim”. Yet another lie.

            You should be allowed to voice your opinion wherever and whenever you can, and I support that 100%.

            What you shouldn’t be allowed to do, though, is lie about what those with more credibility than you (or I) have said to lend false credibility to your opinion.

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        Siso

        Friday, February 5, 2021 at 7:33 pm

        Imagine pharma corpo right now being able to approve there own vaccines and truths without any independent checks and people being jailed for having questions or opinions… That’s the kind of world many want to live in right now, to stupid to realize that in the end they will get f*cked as well When total control is secured by the few.

        people are always angry and disgusted about the ridiculous majestic law here in Thailand, not being able to speak free and question the government’s for example, but on the flip side wish ordinary folks be arrested and jailed for having different believes or simply questioning everything.. Morons, people like you will be the downfall of humankind and freedom

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          Issan John

          Friday, February 5, 2021 at 8:05 pm

          Except that none of that has even the remotest connection with either what I’ve said or what the article reports.

          It’s got nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with “people being jailed for having questions or opinions…”.

          You’re not taking it to a logical conclusion, you’re deliberately confusing two completely different issues.

          Everyone should be entitled to ask questions and have opinions, but that’s very different to spreading lies that put other people’s lives at risk.

          If my “opinion” is that quicksand isn’t dangerous, or that a 20 litre dive tank will last you ten hours, or that you don’t need lifejackets on boats, or rabid dogs are friendly, then I should be allowed to say so.

          What I should NOT be allowed to do, though, is to lie that experts agree with me when they don’t or to take down the warning signs, putting others’ lives at risk because of my opinion.

          That’s not limiting “freedom”, that’s protecting others from selfish morons who think their “freedom” is more important than other people’s lives.

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            James R

            Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:59 pm

            Issan John

            I usually take the pi** out of some of your comments but in this instance I agree with everything you have said regarding this article.

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            Rick

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 2:54 pm

            When it comes to you John “credentials are unimportant” yet you will ask others what their credentials are to try to discredit them. Just one of your disgusting litle tactics.
            But you asked for just one example of experts who can attest to the opposite of what you contend? I could provide you with dozens of experts whose testimony could refute almost everything you have alleged about SarsCov2 and Covid-19, and there are thousands more, but here are just a few; On January 23rd, 2021 on the NBC Nightly News broadcast Dr. Wu Zunyou, (from the Chinese CDC no less) when asked by the interviewer why the data on Covid-19 was not shared by the Chinese Government said the following:
            “They did not isolate the virus. That is the issue.” This is a direct quote from a credentialed Doctor and a member of the Chinese CDC!! You can also look up Dr. Andrew Kaufman and Dr. Thomas Cowan, both of whom have put out dozens of videos and both of whom have credentials and years of clinical experience, unlike you John, you ignorant shill.

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            Issan John

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 4:32 pm

            Just a couple of problems with that, Rick.

            First, FWIW, I’ve only ever asked anyone for their “credentials” when they’ve made a completely unsupported claim and refused / are unable to say what it’s based on.

            I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

            Secondly, although “on January 23rd, 2021 on the NBC Nightly News broadcast Dr. Wu Zunyou, (from the Chinese CDC no less) when asked by the interviewer why the data on Covid-19 was not shared by the Chinese Government said the following:
            “They did not isolate the virus. That is the issue.” ”

            SO WHAT?

            The “issue” he’s referring to is NOT if the virus has been isolated or not but is why the data was not shared OVER A YEAR AGO, which was because AT THAT TIME “they did not isolate the virus”.

            It’s just careful editing to support yet another lie.

            … and I looked up your two doctors and their “credentials”.

            Dr Thomas Cowan, the nut behind 5g being responsible for the Corona Virus? Who said that the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was caused by commercial radio waves although the world’s first commercial radio station didn’t start broadcasting until December 1919? Who said that Covid started in Wuhan because it was the first city to have 5g, although cities in the US and South Korea had 5g before Wuhan? Who’s currently on disciplinary probation for malpractice?

            … and Dr Andrew Kaufman, a psychiatrist who says that appendicitis is only constipation that can be cured by an enema? Who says that the common cold, polio, HIV, hepatitis, chicken pox and measles aren’t viruses and that measles doesn’t exist? Who said that there was a 6% drop in the US mortality rate in the first four months of 2020 when there was a 9% rise? Who’s recently been sacked from his job as a doctor at Mt Sinai? Who thinks that “Demons are for real, just walk with Christ and you are safe even if they kill you”?

            I think I’ll pass on those two, thanks …

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            Rick

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 4:33 pm

            Oh, I almost forgot John. Here is an example of you spreading fake news. How about your assertion that the PCR test is 97% accurate? By your standards that would also be a lie and a dangerous lie at that. Maybe you should turn yourself in? Just a suggestion. If you did I would miss our favorite dishonest fake news spreading shill.

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            Issan John

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 7:24 pm

            Sorry, Rick, wrong again.

            I’ve said several times that the false positive and false negative rates are different, and that both are a bracket with 97% being widely accepted as the optimum if the tests are done according to manufacturer’s instructions.

            I simply see no need to keep repeating it every time PCR cycles are mentioned as I credit most here with at least a reasonable attention span and a reasonable amount of intelligence.

            There are, sadly, obvious exceptions.

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            Leo Z

            Monday, February 8, 2021 at 4:18 am

            Well said, agreed. Also on your reply to Peter N.

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            Matt

            Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:44 am

            Intelligent and well thought out arguments John. Nice. The disinformation spread by the antivaxers and flat earthers out there is mind numbing. You counter every one of their false claims. Keep it up champ!

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          Peter Nielsen

          Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 8:59 am

          This is correct, Siso. The pharmaceutical industry is its own judge. They decide everything. It is actually really scary!

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      Ian

      Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 2:26 am

      Only one person needs his head chopping off and we ll know who that is
      He’s lost the plot he’s been dictatorized and forgot any freedoms so long as he’s alright in his wooden hut in issan locked away from thecreal world that we all live in
      I do think.its time thaiger blocked him because he just brings out the worst on good people what an horrible hating man he his to farangs and to his own country he just spouts crap day I day out please go away and rot you hold horrible man

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        Issan John

        Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 11:23 am

        As rational as ever, Ian.

        Defending “freedom” and free speech, but only for those agreeing with you while anyone disagreeing with you should be “blocked”.

        It would be funny if only it wasn’t quite so sad.

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      ISSAN JOKE

      Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 9:15 pm

      Who would we start with then ??

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    Siso

    Friday, February 5, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    Nobody John, now a year+ later doesn’t have any idea what’s going on. A special team with cientist in Wuhan right now are convinced that covid didn’t come from the lab but again back to the bats and rodents…

    Let me people believe whatever they want to believe as long it’s peacefully. Wishing that people should be jailed or silenced is a dangerous road because leaders all over are picking up on the social debates and would love to be able to enforce and jail a certain group in society, they start calling it the war on domestic terrorist already… Ordinary folks that don’t trust anything or anyone for good reasons, but are not cutting heads off or executing people in the streets

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      Issan John

      Friday, February 5, 2021 at 8:11 pm

      Again, Siso, you’re not taking the issue to a logical conclusion but drawing parallels that don’t exist.

      It’s got nothing to do with banning beliefs or opinions, it’s about stopping people spreading lies that put other people in danger.

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        Manu

        Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 10:11 am

        “It’s got nothing to do with banning beliefs or opinions, it’s about stopping people spreading lies that put other people in danger.”

        Well well well… Where is the danger really?? Who is supposed to decide what is a lie or the truth?? You? If I come accross someone saying that covid is created by 5G, what do I do? Firstly I cannot stop human stupidity, so either I smile and ignore that person, or I try to give him/her another opinion. But you, you would probably denounce that person to the authorities to send him/her to prison cause you “think” that person “puts other people in danger”. But you are NOT the “truth”, only what you think the truth is, what you have been told is the truth. But who decides that? The real “danger” is you and people like you.

        Again the same example to demonstrate that, cause it is amusing me… also cause I can, I will not have my fredom of speech taken over by people like you! Back in March/April and for months, many “experts” were hugely promoting the Remdesevir, including the infamous Dr Fauci in the US… For months, mainstream media followed and gave huge coverage to these “experts'” voices. Not one of them questioned or even investigated the conflicts of interest these experts had with the manufacturer of this crap, Gilead…although many independant TOP scientists worldwide (independant means NO conflict of interests) were saying that Remdesevir does not work, is toxic and EXTREMELY expensive. Of course we know now that the latter were right. Now, let’s say back in June, if I had written a comment saying that Remdesevir does not work, what would you have done? Cause for sure you would have obviously believed that Dr Fauci was saying the truth and I a lie “that puts people in danger”… You would have denounced me to the authorities or labbeled me as a “conspirationist”. See where I am getting there?? There is a very thin line between a lie and the truth, sometimes a lie becomes the truth later on. So apart from the extremely dangerous way the World is taking with freedom of speech, and that, according to you, does not seem to be a danger, nobody really detains the truth (no, not even you, you have said many lies here and you are not even aware of that). And it is THE human ULTIMATE right and freedom to decide what the truth is, not you, not any authority. So IJ, again, it is you who “draw parallels” and as usual, either dangerously or irrationally or both.

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          Issan John

          Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 11:03 am

          You’re right, Manu, I’m not “aware” that I’ve “said many lies here”.

          Do tell.

          Just one would do.

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          Issan John

          Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 11:14 am

          … and yes, I see what you’re getting at with remdesivir, which is unsurprisingly drawing a conclusion which is complete nonsense.

          Rather than doing as you fantasise, “for sure”, I would have commented exactly as I did. On record.

          But, of course, what actually happened doesn’t matter to you – only what you’d like to have happened.

          The lack of consideration for others here doesn’t surprise me at all, but that doesn’t make it any less disappointing.

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            Manu

            Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 12:02 pm

            “The lack of consideration for others here doesn’t surprise me at all, but that doesn’t make it any less disappointing”

            Now this one IJ is priceless. But not very surprising: playing the victim is usually the first reaction of a person with authoritarian tendency. Not to mention that if you are so “disapointed” on here, you have also the choice of going away – at least go on holiday for a while, it would do you good.

            Above you said to Ian:

            “As rational as ever, Ian.” (very “considerate” to Ian, isn’it? Cause you know all about rationality…)

            And to Siso above:

            “You’re not taking it to a logical conclusion, you’re deliberately confusing two completely different issues.” (“deliberately”? Insulting someone’s intelligence is not very “considerate” mate, quite the opposite)

            And to Siso above:

            “Again, Siso, you’re not taking the issue to a logical conclusion but drawing parallels that don’t exist.” (you persist – there (again and again) you do not say that you do not agree with him, followed by your opinion, you simply just say that he is talking crap… I repeat: Insulting someone’s intelligence is not very “considerate” mate, quite the opposite. Personally I disagree with you and believe Siso’s comments are spot on)

            And on and on, days after days, weeks after weeks… “do what I say but not what I do”??? But you do not even realise that it is what you are doing all the time but then complain others doing it to you. You are the perfect “victim”.

            As for the rest of your 2 responses to me, the answers are already in my original comment. But Covid-madness is obviously blinding you… I was making a general point, the world does not elvove around you, and obviously it went again way above your head.

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          Issan John

          Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 2:21 pm

          Not “complaining” at all, Manu.

          Just mildly amused that despite all your talk, when push comes to shove and you’re asked to simply quote just one example of where I’ve “said many lies here” you can’t come up with a single one. :0

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            Manu

            Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 8:28 pm

            I repeat John: The world does not evolve around you… In order to do that John, I will have to go back to your countless posts, develop the argument of the countless ones relevant and point out where you thought it was the truth but it was not. Comments on thethaiger?? Not a place to change the world, is it? But I mean it threre honestly, I have a life to live, no time for that. Not everybody has so much time to waste on that as you. How was your life before Covid? I am not even being insulting here like you are so many times . Genuinely John, don’t you see that??? Do everyone and yourself a favour, just give yourself a break, stop this thing taking over your brain into madness. I mean it mate. Have a beer and some fun with real people around you, and reset your brain to what it was before Covid. On the other hand, if you feel like it, I am happy to meet you and tell you all that in person as long as you promise me to give the laptop and your brain a break. I travel easily, surely In isaan, no problem there. I cannot be more human, “considerate”, fairer than that.

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            Issan John

            Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 9:10 am

            So, despite all the bluster, zilch.

            … and you “have no time” to find just one (one!) of the “many lies” you say I’ve told but you’re “happy to meet” to “have a beer and some fun”. 😮

            Sorry, manu, but I you need to get out of Soi 6 and have a good, long look in the mirror.

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            James R

            Monday, February 8, 2021 at 1:34 am

            Issan John

            You have said a few things which are not true but not meant as lies as far as I can see, they were just error.

            For example I stated a week or two ago we made the covid vaccine in the UK for our use, you said we only made vials, the fact is we have three companies making the vaccine and the one who makes the vials packs and ships them.

            But not lies, just errors.

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    PM

    Friday, February 5, 2021 at 7:51 pm

    Thailand has become a New North korea, congrats!

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    Bill

    Friday, February 5, 2021 at 7:59 pm

    A bacteria connected to 5g…lmao

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      Issan John

      Friday, February 5, 2021 at 8:29 pm

      Yes, Bill, funny unless you’re a telecom engineer trying to put up 5g who gets spat on and assaulted by those believe this crap …

      … or you can’t call an ambulance because these morons have blown up the mobile phone mast so people die …

      … and sadly I’m not over-reacting or hypothesising.

      “Ordinary folks” can be responsible for killing others by spreading lies a lot more easily than by “cutting heads off or executing people in the streets”, and there’s little funny about it.

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    Amy Sukwan

    Friday, February 5, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    This type of thing chills me to the bone. I can’t even fathom where Isaan John is coming from. Some immigrant laborers breaking quarantine sounds plausible. The 5G thing is out there but who cares? Who are they harming? I’ve long read that cycles over 35 renders a lot of false positives on the PCR test and I thought I heard somewhere that the WHO did recommend lowering the number of cycles. Will I get arrested too now?

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      Issan John

      Friday, February 5, 2021 at 9:06 pm

      What “chills” me is that you genuinely don’t realise the harm done, that other people aren’t just hurt but die as a direct result.

      “Some immigrant laborers breaking quarantine sounds plausible”

      It may be “plausible” but it was untrue. As a direct result, though, here and in Singapore, migrant workers lost the few freedoms they had and were incarcerated more closely than if they’d been rapists and murderers, totally unnecessarily, and medical facilities moved.

      “The 5G thing is out there but who cares? Who are they harming?”

      Nobody, unless you count the Telecom engineers who’ve been spat on and assaulted just because they’re working putting up 5g, or just repairing 4g and normal mobile phone repeaters.

      Nobody, unless you count those who died because their friends and family couldn’t call an ambulance in time as there was no signal as the mast had been burnt down and repeaters broken.

      Nobody, unless you count those who couldn’t even talk to their dying family and partners because the phones and net weren’t working as someone had torn them down.

      Not hypothetical cases, but all well known and well documented.

      “I’ve long read that cycles over 35 renders a lot of false positives on the PCR test and I thought I heard somewhere that the WHO did recommend lowering the number of cycles.”

      Well, you should have read further and listened more carefully.

      “Will I get arrested too now?”

      AFAIK, ignorance isn’t a crime any more than it is a defence for those who fail to think through the consequences of their stupidity.

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        Peter Nielsen

        Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 9:06 am

        According to reports from both Unicef and the UN, more people die from the lockdowns (starvation) than would have died from covid without the lockdowns. I can only urge you to read more about this.

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          Issan John

          Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 2:52 pm

          Again, completely untrue.

          A blatant lie.

          The “Unicef report” often cited was actually a Daily Telegraph interview in May last year with Dr Stefan Petersen, chief of health at Unicef, who condemned “indiscriminate lockdown measures … one size fits no-one” etc while he “urged countries not to impose draconian lockdowns, but to focus on identifying hotspots so that regional restrictions less damaging for public health can be introduced”.

          The predicted number of additional deaths he suggested, based on modelling by Johns Hopkins was a best case of 235,500 children and 12,200 mothers, and a worst case of 1,160,000 children and 57,000 mothers last year.

          Two million have died from Covid.

          Unicef confirmed that modelling in a press release in October last year.

          On Jan 7 this year Unicef issued another similar press release (“Child Mortality and Covid 19).

          They have simply never said what you claim.

          It’s a lie.

          It’s a similar story with the UN, where it’s based on a statement from David Beasley, director of the WFP, to the UN on 17 September last year – except he wasn’t blaming lockdowns at all but far more specifically “the breakdown of supply chains” and that “the commercial airline industry has all but shut down making it hard to gat the supplies and experts out to where they’re needed”.

          The full transcript is easily available, and he simply never says or suggests what you say, nor does anyone else at the UN.

          It’s simply yet another lie.

          I’m not suggesting that hundreds of thousands aren’t dying from the indirect effects of the lockdown, nor AFAIK is anyone else, and there clearly needs to be a balance but that should be based on the expert, respected views on all sides …

          … and what you’re saying, repeatedly, is NOT what the experts are saying. You’re lying about what they’ve said.

          It’s a lie. Again.

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        Amy Sukwan

        Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 11:42 am

        Isaan John you really are an insufferable SOB. Let’s think this through now. If I were to read something about harmful effects of 5G and some link to Covid-19 and were to believe it, I would perhaps do things to limit my exposure, like not buying 5G phones or keeping them turned off and away from my body at night. It would never occur to me in a million years to go burn down some 5G towers or spit on people installing them. So what you are saying is that information that contradicts the established narrative is dangerous because other people could potentially act in a violent or illegal way upon reading it. But don’t they have free will? That’s way beyond the slippery slope I think you’re already at the bottom!

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          Issan John

          Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 1:58 pm

          No, Amy S, what I’m saying is that it’s dangerous because people like Manu, Peter N, etc, blindly repeat what they read, assuming that when someone says that a respected and credible expert says 2+2=4,000 that it’s true because a respected, credible expert said it and it’s what they want to hear.

          That then pushes others who may not have your self control to burn down 5g masts, etc, etc, and people die.

          The problem is that the credible experts never said it.

          It’s a lie.

          If they weren’t fed the lies then they wouldn’t act “in a violent or illegal way”.

          So what’s best:

          Allowing people to lie about what the experts have said, so others act on it and people suffer and die?

          Or stopping the cycle of lies before anyone gets hurt?

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        Amy Sukwan

        Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 12:00 pm

        There’s something implicitly racist in your argument Isaan John. You seem to be assuming that Thais are A: So stupid that they believe any information that they read and B: So violent that their only response to it is to put other people’s life in danger..

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          Issan John

          Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 3:00 pm

          Umm … bizarre. Seriously bizarre.

          I haven’t actually mentioned “Thais” in this context at all!

          … and all of the examples I’ve given have been solely Western ones – not a Thai or an Asian one amongst them.

          … so anything “implicitly racist” here can only be on your part, not mine. Sorry if that doesn’t suit your agenda 🙂

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    TV

    Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 6:47 am

    Freedom of speech is essential to keep the peace.

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      Issan John

      Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 12:01 pm

      Freedom of speech?

      Yes, beyond any doubt, TV.

      But how about incitement to break the peace?

      Incitement to overrule a democratic election with a coup because you lost, whether in the US or in Myanmar?

      To tear and burn down 5g masts which led to telecom engineers being assaulted and, literally, people dying?

      To lock up migrant workers for no reason other than they were migrant workers?

      “Freedom of speech” to wolf-whistle at a pretty girl, even if it’s offensive or abusive?

      “Freedom of speech” to lie about what the WHO, the UN, or you or I have said?

      It’s not that simple when your “freedom” is at someone else’s expense.

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    Tim Houston

    Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 9:42 am

    Another WTF news from Thailand. Issan john has plenty of time on his hands to report us

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      Issan John

      Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 1:13 pm

      Plenty of time to see the irony, here and elsewhere.

      Look at France. “Freedom” to walk around the beach waving your wedding tackle at the kids, but not to be fully dressed; to deliberately offend religions and beliefs, but not to wolf-whistle; to be secular, but not to wear a crucifix.

      Look at the UK. “Freedom” for a man convicted of rape to say that he’s a woman so that he can be put in a women’s prison and assault the inmates. “Freedom” for a man to say he’s a woman for the day, don a bikini and use a “women only” swimming pond, but not for women to put on a false beard and use the men’s.

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    Ian

    Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 12:59 am

    You’ve lost the plot ij why has a man accused of rape saying he’s a,woman and women growing beards got to do with freedom you’ve been in that hut to long in issan maybe you need freeing from your laptop and get in the shade as summers coming soon to issan don’t want you getting sunstroke and your laptop melting

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    Issan John

    Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 10:15 am

    Sorry if that went over your head, Ian.

    I was trying to give simple examples of how individual “freedom” can be abused by one person to harm others and affect their “freedom”.

    Clearly they weren’t simple enough. Mea culpa.

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    Rick

    Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 9:59 pm

    Oh John! You are such an accomplished liar and tell so many tall tales that it would take me all day to even begin to try to refute them all. And since I don’t have time to sit on the Thaiger all day, as you seem to have the time to do, being the good shill that you are, I will let you have the last word. But I know what you are and apparently many others on this site are catching on to your nonsense as well. You are very good at spinning, misquoting, misdirection, using logical fallicies, straw man arguments, insults and lying to put down anyone who dares to even question your narritive, but it isn’t working and others can see through you as well and that what you are pushing is the real virus.
    As The Buddha would say “I see you Mara”.

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    Roger C

    Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 9:41 am

    I’m liking Issan John. A smug cu*t, but but he’s schooling the ignorant here.

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