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A new Facebook group called “Let’s Move Abroad” is getting some online traction as Thais log in to share ideas and tips on studying and working abroad. The group sprung up just 2 days ago, amidst the current political backdrop that has seen increasing disapproval of the Thai government’s Covid-19 response. Over 524, 500 members have posted questions and anecdotes about living abroad, with those already having made the move, posting about the countries where they have moved.

The most popular countries, according to members’ posts, include the US, the UK, Germany, Australia, Malaysia, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Russia, Iceland, Canada, New Zealand and Japan. Piyawat Janta, a member who is eyeing a move to the US, is just 1 of many who sympathise with Thailand’s anti-government movement.

“I really dislike this country in terms of its system of governing and certain people. I want to change the country, but I think relocating is easier.”

The creator and administrator of the group, who wishes to remain anonymous, says the group isn’t intended to promote a political agenda.

“The group was created to compile information on life in other countries and to exchange tips on how to move abroad, like how to obtain visas etc.”

The creator says they have been impacted by the government’s restrictive measures while owning 7 restaurants and pubs in Bangkok. The current ban on dining in and in-house alcohol consumption has sped up the creator’s ideas on doing business abroad.

The creator says the last straw was the government’s handling of the pandemic and the justice systems’ failures. Citing the continuous denial of bail for pro-democracy leader Parit “Penguin” Chiwarak, who has been admitted to a hospital after suffering health problems from a 50 day hunger strike, the creator says the Facebook group has exploded.

Thailand has been suffering from a third wave of Covid-19 infections since the beginning of April, which began in nightclubs in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. The new wave is spreading noticeably quicker than last year’s waves, making daily records with an average of almost 2,000 new infections per day. The death toll has also broken records with today even seeing 31 fatalities from Covid-19.

As Thailand’s vaccine rollout pace has been widely criticised, the Kingdom has only administered 1.47 million doses of a Covid vaccine, at a rate much slower than the original targets set. Today, a Change.org petition has attracted a total of 36,000 signatures in favour of getting rid of the country’s Deputy PM and Public Health Minister, Anutin Charnvirakul.

As other nations have already began to administer Covid inoculations as early as the beginning of this year, Thailand has around 200,000 people over the age of 60 and in at-risk groups registering for the British AstraZeneca vaccine, which won’t be available until next month. The vaccine was recently approved to be manufactured locally by Siam Bioscience, a company founded by CPB Equity, an investment arm of Crown Property Bureau which manages the assets of the Thai Royal Family.

SOURCE: Thai PBS World

 

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  1. Avatar

    Steve369.

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:59 pm

    Not a critic but I have been told by friends in Bangkok that plenty of bars are open around sukhumvit area. I just went out for dinner in Hua Hin and was offered beer served in a coffee mug. I then went to check out some of the bars and they were open with people drinking from coffee mugs. If you pay the cops stay away.

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    Toby Andrews

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    I do not mind the moving to the UK, but we insist on a B500 Covid, test, then they spend 16 days in quarantine at their own expense, infected or not.
    And they cannot own land, houses, and have to do 90 day reporting, plus they cannot work.
    If they are found to be infected with covid, they will have to spend time in a private UK hospital at top price.

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    Slugger

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:05 pm

    Yawn. Another way to get the erstwhile fat lad into the press. Is there really no news in Thailand?

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    Name

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    You mentioned Russia twice. If you want to be taken seriously as a media outlet I would suggest that you proof read your articles and do your own investigative research instead or reposting the same story from Bangkok Post 1 hour previous.

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    Michael

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:42 pm

    At almost 600k members I wonder why there are never more than a couple of thousand protestors at the rallies. I already had the impression that the Thai population thought it was all fine.

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    michael cooksey

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    @Toby Andrews – I’m confused, non-British citizen can own land in the UK. It’s in Thailand that non-Thai citizens cannot own land. Am I wrong?

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      Nigel

      Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 1:42 am

      You are correct. I think the answer was to suggest that if Thais relocate to the U.K., they should be afforded the same rights as U.K. citizens in Thailand. Seems fair to me.

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    Dreqo

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:09 pm

    Oh, haha, nowww you want to move to the US eh? Bit of a different tune being sung all of a sudden.

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      LV-Jody

      Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 10:07 am

      You are so right. We, in the USA, are the so-called “dirty farangs” who do not shower or wear masks according to Some Thai government officials.

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    ynwaps

    Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:35 pm

    If foreigners can’t come to you, you have to come to foreigner to get your second passport.

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    Gosport

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 12:08 am

    @Slugger – They are creating too many robots talking about moving. If they wanted to move or were rich do moving, they already done it.
    It is a NGOs style. The taf kid will come out streamlined.

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    farang

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 12:39 am

    where can i find this facebook page?

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    Thai-Visitor

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 12:51 am

    @Toby Andrews – lol!!!!!!! Daaaaaaaaaaaayyyuuuuummm.

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    wayno

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 1:38 am

    @michael cooksey….Seriously, not the brightest are you

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    wayno

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 1:40 am

    Over 500,000 potential defectors….in reality maybe a 1,000 have the funds to do so

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    Nigel

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:07 am

    Why don’t these Thai people who are unhappy with Thailand simply contact our friend @Simon Small (aka Issan John) and have him explain what a wonderful place Thailand is? Why are they wasting their time looking at countries like the U.S, U.K. Sweden, Norway, Australia and Japan? Ok, these countries have democratically elected governments. Education systems to be envied, along with a social structure that rewards on merit. They have legal systems where everyone is treated fairly and equitably under the law. They have social support networks and human rights protections. Corruption is some of the lowest on the planet. You get stopped by police when you have done something to break the law, not because they want a few Dollars or Krone from you. You can also expect to drive on roads and not have over 20,000 of your fellow citizens killed in accidents. Your wife and daughter can walk past taxi ranks without being sexually harassed. You can move there and own a business and own your own home. So why on Earth would anyone want to trade Thailand to go to a place like that? Maybe @Simon small can help them see the error of their misguided thinking?

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    George Washington

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 5:27 am

    Leave a cheap and decent place for some of the most expensive places where you will wind up homeless after the western police ticket and arrest you for pretty stuff like a cracked wind screen or to many items hanging from the mirror, arrested for no drivers license. Get your entire car searched for “smells like cannabis” with guns drawn.

    My last ticket before leaving US was 7000b for driving a high Profile vehicle on a windy day… and your complaining about the govt here. Sure they’re not great here, but they sorta do nothing and mind their business. That’s a good govt if u ask me.

    “The best Government is one that governs least” – founding father of usa which actually describes Thailand, not modern usa tyranny

    In usa your taxes go to pay bankers, and war and the military industrial complex and crackhead.

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    Mike

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:22 am

    The U.K. needs more immigrants. The hospital sector is in need of manpower. Would be a great fit – superb, professional U.K. sector with people with expertise and a natural flair. Gets those visa applications in people.

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    Stan

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:33 am

    @Name – @Name – I’ve said it before, Thaiger is an “Olds” service,not a “news” service.
    I’m here just catching up on the “olds”.

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    Denis

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:44 am

    It is well known that the grass is always greener elsewhere. This is the marketing postcard …

    Like everywhere in the world, Thailand is starting to produce a generation of spoiled children, never satisfied with their lives and what they have. These spoiled children are being manipulated by sellers of the Western dream.

    However, dissatisfied people should ask themselves two questions:
    First, why do so many farangs want to come and settle in Thailand if their country of origin is so beautiful?
    Then, why are Western democracies in such great social and economic difficulty?

    Before moving abroad for the long term, you have to test and test yourself … Thai daily life is sabai sabai: Not sure that many Thais can withstand the pressure of the Western world: Jobs, taxes, competition, regulations, formalism , etc …

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    Isarn Jon

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:45 am

    @Dreqo –

    No one wants to move to the USA

    Cheers

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    funny coz its true

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:00 am

    Yeah, but the issue is, you have no money to pay your debts, you can’t even afford to travel locally, you can’t afford to leave Thailand.

    Good luck with that

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    The Truth

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:08 am

    @Nigel – I’m afraid you’re not keeping up with current news. Violence is inflicted upon Asian people in the US daily. The inexplicable part of that is much of it is Black on Asian. It’s the same story in all of Europe as racisms is rampant. Woe be to a black footballer in Italy…and so on, and so on. As for the UK, my Thai daughter, who is a UK citizen, is often harassed by groups of drunken boys outside pubs with catcalls and unsavory innuendos. She is stalked and harassed no matter if she is with her children or not.
    Best to burn it all down and start over again…sans primates.

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    Ben

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:34 am

    I live in the USA and, annually, spend time in Europe and Asia including Thailand. Each place has wonderful things and I try and explore those as much as possible. No one place is perfect.

    In troubled times people explore alternatives and that’s all this web site is about. Bottom line is most Thais want to stay in Thailand and most Americans want to stay in the states. Family and friends usually dictate where people want to live.

    I know some Thais that have moved abroad seeking better economic opportunities and succeeded. But it’s a hard road to uproot yourself and move to a foreign country where the customs, language and food are very different. Most of this interest will fall by the wayside once people realize what they have to sacrifice or that they don’t qualify.

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    James Pate

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:47 am

    Thousands of followers but few will have the means or smarts to follow through. It’s just travel porn for voyeurs.

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    M

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:58 am

    @Steve369. – THis happened last time too, you were able to dree anything in a coffee cup really 😀

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    Stardust

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 9:37 am

    @George Washington – you are really nuts and have a empty head to call a authorian dictatorship and policestate Thailand less authorian than the west?! You should avoid too much drugs and Thai Whisky, because your brain is already seriously damaged!

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    Leo Z

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 10:26 am

    @Toby Andrews – Very well said.

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    Dreqo

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 10:30 am

    @Isarn Jon –

    Looking at the millions on US Green Card wait-list at the moment, I’d say your statement is willlllldly incorrect. Although I wish it wasn’t.

    Cheers

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    Toby Andrews

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 11:06 am

    @michael cooksey – No you miss the point. I am suggesting they endure the conditions in the UK, that we have to endure in Thailand. And let them see how unjust it is.

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    Buttaxe

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 11:13 am

    @ Toby: Also Thais must pay minimum 500% more than Brits to visit anything, including Thai kids.

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    Steve

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 11:37 am

    @Toby Andrews – i agree 100% Toby. But you forgot to mention the 800,000 Baht equivalent in a bank

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    Steve

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 11:53 am

    @Denis – when I was in Thailand I was there for 8 months. I spent £1500 per month approx 60,000 Baht. The majority of Thais were on 9,000, For me it was Sabai Sabai. For the Thai themselves it was indemptured slavery, thats the difference.

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    Bruno

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 12:37 pm

    @Toby Andrews – a good way – if you treat thais with their own ” service” to foreigners – then they wil get upset and call us racists etc. . farangs are treated like criminals. am on way to Cambo and Saigon next –

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    Gosport

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 1:50 pm

    I bet 100 Baht, 6 months later, BKK Post will surly report 500 millions Baht were scammed in living abroad visa scheme. Some Thais and Farangs involved fled the country before police raid.

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    Gosport

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 1:52 pm

    @Toby Andrews – Why no Cambodia choice as you are happily living there. That is odd.

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    Manu

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:57 pm

    @Toby Andrews – “I do not mind the moving to the UK, but we insist on a B500 Covid, test, then they spend 16 days in quarantine at their own expense, infected or not.”

    ANYONE arriving in the UK has to provide a negative PCR test done within 72 hours before flying (at their own expense obviously). Then before flying, you have to book and pay online 2 tests (non-refundable. price: £210) that you have to do on day 2 and day 8 while doing your 10 days quarantine in England (yes, “infected or not” too!!). If you do not come from the red list countries, you can quarantine at home. If you do, it is 11 days quarantine in ASQ… at your own expense of course and it is London, so quite a lot more money than the BKK ones. THAT GOES FOR EVERYONE, EVEN BRITISH. Basically, it would currently cost you more money from Cambodia to get back to your own country than coming to Thailand. Just saying…

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    Toby Andrews

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    Manu. First a Thai can self quarantine after arriving in the UK, but any UK citizen cannot self quarantine in Thailand.

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    George Washington

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 8:33 pm

    @stardust I have paid 2000b in fines in 3 years in Thailand typically for not having a license. In usa, I would be hauled off to jail and run through the court system. For an authoritarian dictatorship I am much more free here than in usa.

    Here, pay 500b and keep moving. No need to show id. Just write a name, any name.

    To live in usa you need be very submissive and complaint to ward off trouble with .gov

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    Toby Andrews

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    @Toby Andrews – Second Manu. A UK Citizens have to have health insurance to enter Thailand.
    A Thai does not have to have health insurance to enter the UK.

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    Manu

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 10:34 pm

    Toby my good man, you did not know all that, you read my comment and made some research. And that is all you came up with. I really hope that, if one day, and I do not mean a terrible one, but one day you really have to go back to your beautiful country, you are not coming from a rest list country. You are going suddenly to regret Thai prices.

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    S2k

    Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 11:00 pm

    @Steve369 what is your point?

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    sam

    Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 12:10 am

    Following Thaksin’s footsteps to be fugitives on the run and to abandon the country for good. However,they need to have the money to sustain the gataway,but on whether they can have better lives in other countries is an unknown mystery.

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    I K Kong

    Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 8:24 am

    @Denis – you are absolutely right! As an Asian I had lived in a farang country before. Things are so regulated there and being subjected to racial discriminations, it really makes one homesick and angry at times. There are some who stayed on simply because they had left too much behind, making it impossible to make a return.

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    I K Kong

    Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 8:40 am

    @George Washington – absolutely right! Thais with their sabai sabai way of life will grimace with extreme sorrow when they hit the realities in the USA, UK, Australia… Here in Thailand they worked to feed themselves, their families and the corrupt officers, but still can afford to smile and sabai sabai. Over in the farang countries the Thais are culturally uprooted and bullied, still have to work to feed themselves and families and the very high taxes which goes to fund the rich, the lazy and the war machineries. At the end of the day there will be little left over to ‘smile’ about.

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    Toby Andrews

    Friday, May 7, 2021 at 4:30 pm

    @Gosport – Thai would not move to Cambodia because there are no prospects there.
    The Cambodians can just about manage to eat at the moment.

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    Toby Andrews

    Friday, May 7, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    @Manu – Of course I did research Manu. I do not want to post incorrect posts. I have a rabid expat up in Isaan with fingering hovering over his keyboard waiting to spot where I missed a comma.
    However, I think you may have got me on the extra money to pay having tests entering the UK, above what needs to be paid entering Thailand.
    I have a pal in the Dominican Republic who will be returning in a month to the UK.
    I will have his report on costs of tests then, and hope to return to the subject.
    By the way, it seems that Thailand will soon grab a tourist tax on entry, which the UK does not.

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Thai government monitoring “Let’s Move Abroad” Facebook group

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The Thai government is keeping an eye on a new Facebook group created by Thai citizens frustrated by the administration’s handling of Covid-19. In addition, many people in the “Let’s Move Abroad” group have voiced their anger at how the ongoing political unrest is being dealt with and in particular, how pro-democracy detainees are being treated. The Digital Economy and Society Ministry says it’s monitoring the group, which has now attracted over 650,000 members since its creation on May 1.

DES Minister Chaiwut Thanakhamanusorn says that while the group can provide valuable assistance to those who wish to study or work abroad, officials have also spotted sensitive political content which could violate Thailand’s strict lèse majesté law. The law, also known as section 112 of the Criminal Code, prohibits criticising, defaming, or insulting the monarchy.

According to the Bangkok Post, Chaiwut says that some political content in the group is designed to create division and to insult the monarchy. He warns that the ministry could take legal action against anyone responsible for posts or comments that violate section 112.

“I’ve ordered the working panel to regularly review the content and take legal action if need be.”

Aside from that, he says the group is a good resource for Thais thinking of moving overseas and such information-sharing should be encouraged. He adds that the government is ready to help Thai citizens who wish to move abroad, but calls on group members to refrain from offering advice that violates immigration laws in other countries.

Meanwhile, a number of foreign embassies have responded to the creation of the group, posting messages aimed at would-be Thai expats. The Swedish embassy in Bangkok kicked things off, listing the reasons Sweden would be a great country to move to.

“Are you dreaming about moving abroad? Here are a few reasons why Sweden should be considered – strong labour rights and protection, gender equality, innovations appreciation, and social welfare for all.”

Not to be left out, the Aussies chimed in, with their embassy offering to teach interested Thais some Aussie slang.

“Before joining #TeamAustralia, let’s get to know some slang the Aussies use. Our page will on Wednesday present 5 words about food that only Aussies understand.”

SOURCE: Bangkok Post

 

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Thai authorities are setting up a centre to investigate fake news surrounding Covid-19. The Department of Special Investigation says such misguidances could hamper the government’s efforts in containing the current pandemic.

The task force to combat so-called “false information” started last Saturday and is headed by deputy director-general Supat Thamthanarak. The move falls in line with Justice Minister Somsak Thepsutin’s policy in supporting the investigations being conducted under the DSI law.

Supat says fake news has been circulating throughout the Covid pandemic, with such misleading information ranging from the promotion of herbs as a virus cure to certain drug recommendations by so-called senior doctors.

The anti-fake news centre says it will investigate attempts to spread such news to mislead the public about the Covid-19 situation, focusing on online and social media platforms. The task force will be required to submit reports to the Justice Ministry and others overseeing it.

Back in February, however, Thai police arrested 35 people for allegedly spreading false information about the coronavirus. Some posts shared online claimed that migrant workers had broken out of a quarantine facility, another claimed that the coronavirus is actually not a virus, but a bacteria somehow connected to 5G spectrum radio frequencies.

Only 4 people actually wrote posts online with false information while the other 31 people shared fake news posts. Digital Economy and Society Ministry’s Anti-Fake News Centre and the National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission teamed up with police for the crackdown on fake news regarding the pandemic.

Even earlier this year, COFACT Thailand published a list of the top 5 fake news stories and myths, relating Covid-19, that was circulating among Thai netizens at that time:

  • All Thais must enter lockdown
  • Drinking lemonade can kill coronavirus
  • Those who adopt an alkaline and vegan diets will lower their chance of becoming infected
  • Mailing parcels can pass on the coronavirus
  • Standing in direct sunlight can kill the coronavirus (something most Thais would NEVER do)

SOURCE: Bangkok Post

 

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Thai fishing industry officials are protesting the controversial ‘Seaspiracy’ documentary as they say its information, regarding human trafficking, is outdated. The Thai Maritime Enforcement Command Centre spokesman Pokkhrong Monthatphalin, says the government had been cleaning up the fishing industry for years after its illegal practises were highlighted in 2015. He says Thai authorities have been trying to invited the documentary’s producers to come inspect the nation’s fishing practises themselves.

The documentary, Seaspiracy, focused on the extreme consequences of commercial fishing on local ecology. It also spotlighted Thailand’s fishing industry by interviewing former fishing boat workers who said they were trafficked to work on the boats as migrants. The workers said they were living in hell and were modern-day slaves.

In response to the damning allegations by former workers, Pokkhrong says Thailand’s commitment to ending such illegal practices had been recognised by the international community. He says the EU had taken the country off of its yellow-card status in 2019, citing Thailand’s alignment of its legal systems with international obligations to fight IUU fishing.

He says that year Thailand was taken off the yellow-card status, the nation had also set basic decent standards for those working in the fishing industry-a first for Asia. The US’s Trafficking in Persons Report also recognised Thailand for making headway in tackling human trafficking in the past few years.

But the Seafood Working Group has backed up the documentary by proposing the US State Department to downgrade Thailand to the Tier 2 Watchlist again, after the group claimed the recognition of workers’ rights was even more shoddy due to the Covid pandemic.

But Pokkhrong insisted that Thai authorities remained dedicated to promoting sustainable fishing and ending human trafficking in the seafood industry. The documentary, however, pointed to high-level corruption in the police department, with such officials allegedly playing a part in the trafficking of migrant workers.

SOURCE: Bangkok Post

 

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