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Facebook group names and shames “farang prices”

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In days gone by, a foreigner visiting a national park or tourist site could often expect to be charged several times the price charged to a local. Now, thanks to a Facebook community naming and shaming venues that apply “farang prices” to foreign visitors, those days are, well, numbered. Members of the 2PriceThailand Facebook group are warning each other about price gouging for foreigners regardless of their residence status, a practice openly endorsed by state and private businesses alike, despite calls of outright discrimination.

The double pricing or dual pricing debate has been around ever since foreigners stepped onto Thai shores. It’s a hotly debated topic with strong opinions on both sides.

“The intention of this group is to give foreigners the right to choose. We don’t think it is fair that some tourist attractions disguise the fact that they have a dual price system. Our opinion is that if they want to overcharge foreign tourists by as much as 200% then that is their decision. But, don’t do it in a way that is both sneaky and insulting.”

The group also says they hope to see the abolition of the dual pricing system in Thailand.

“Thai people are internationally known for their kind and generous hospitality. The actions of a few tourist attractions are damaging that reputation.”

Popular British blogger Richard Barrow, who regularly writes about Thailand’s tourist attractions and scams on his websites, is the group’s admin. In 1 post, user Aisha Moller Pedersen warns that the “foreigner” admission fee for Phra Nakhon Khiri Historical Park is 150 baht; it’s 20 baht for Thais.

Just to step on the beach at Nangyuan Island Dive Resort, foreigners pay 200 baht (doubled from 100 baht due to Covid-19), while Thais pay 30, a member posted Monday.

Facebook group names and shames

Another user wrote that at Koh Chang Waterfall, the entrance fee is 200 baht for foreigners, while (adult) Thais only pay 20. A tourist attraction in Bangkok features its ticket prices in Thai and Arabic numbers. The “farang price” is nearly twice as high.

“I was there during the weekend and brought my work permit as well but no luck, and worst of all the ticket seller was very rude,so, we decided to leave. This is a widespread and systematic racism which should be stopped immediately.”

Another member wrote yesterday that adult foreigners pay 100 baht to enter the Queen Sirikit Botanical Garden in Chiang Mai, while Thai adults pay 40. But it’s not all negativity – members also post places that offer the same prices for Thais and foreigners. “Sukhothai Historical Park offering same prices for Thai and farang,” wrote one user in a Sunday post.

“Doi Tung Tourist Attraction – no dual pricing, and the nicest gardens I’ve seen in Thailand,” wrote another, referring to the Mae Fah Luang Botanical Garden in Chiang Rai.

Facebook group names and shames

SOURCE: Khaosod English

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    Toby Andrews

    Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    See how they put the Thai price in Thai script.
    Thais never use this script, but they do when they want the foreigners not to know they are paying more than the Thais.
    Many of these attraction would be out of business if the foreigners do not visit.
    Put them out of business – do not go.

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      Brian

      Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 5:15 pm

      Yes, I agree, I rarely see the Thai numerals. It seems clear it is an attempt at obfuscation. I hope Thai people will appreciate that foreigners being given the same price as locals is a thing that is appreciated very much by visitors who have lived other places like China where being charged extra is an everyday concern. Thai people, please keep it simple, it is appreciated and will benefit everyone in the long run.

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      Andrew

      Friday, July 10, 2020 at 12:52 am

      Yeah! The same in Malaysia! Racist countries. Don’t go there!

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    Simon

    Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    I suppose another way of looking at it, is the Thai’s get a discount, because many of them earn a pittance compared to foreigners. To be honest, it doesn’t bother me too much, if the price is acceptable or not should be the deciding factor, not how much someone else is getting charged.

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      Dirty Farang

      Friday, July 10, 2020 at 12:58 am

      Yeah, 100% agree. They need the cash for maintanance but natives can’t afford this price. For me it’s okay to pay some Euros more if they use it for keep everything running but not, if it’s to make some officials rich.

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      Osi

      Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 11:09 am

      Kindly I opine that your aforementioned approach distances people from equality and nearing them to discrimination and sadness; it is far worse when done with obfuscation. Anyway, it’s bad for the long run so it shouldn’t be encourage.

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    Terry Williams

    Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    There is no way to defend 650.00 % in increase for farangs compare to Thai people for the very same venue. It is just sick! I wonder what they would call is if we did that to Thais? Boycott venues with double pricing! This is bullshit!

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      William Moeller

      Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 8:16 pm

      Thai people believe that western countries routinely do ‘dual pricing’ for foreigners, but they are wrong. I’m married to a Thai and we tried to book a tour. When they found out that I was not Thai, they wanted to increase the price for my ticket by 1500 Baht. My wife could not understand why I refused to go on their tour. I cannot tolerate dual pricing.

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        Daniel

        Friday, July 10, 2020 at 3:43 am

        One of the reason people go on vacation in SE Asia is cheap prices.

        One of the reason many don’t go to Thailand anymore, is because it’s not cheap for us anymore.

        I recently discovered Philippines. Much cheaper, no dual pricing and by avoiding a couple selected places, very safe.

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    sam thompson

    Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Name and shame, publicise and boycott….good pressure tactics, especially at these times…..nobody enjoys being ripped off and it is ridiculous that farangs are required to pay these exorbitiant charges…..I am sure that Thai tourists would be extremely resentful if they were asked to pay more for entry tahn locals to popular attractions around the world.

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    jon

    Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    Grand Palace in Bangkok, foreigners 500 baht each even for long term residents with local ID, locals free entry.

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    Patong Pattie

    Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    Compare to Europe:
    In some European countries, some “farangs” (middle eastern and north african street criminals) receive free housing and disco money for the rest of their lives by claiming they are war children in need.

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    Damon Lobel

    Friday, July 10, 2020 at 12:28 am

    Dual pricing for normal goods and services is wrong in my opinion. That being said, Thai national parks belong to the Thai people and it is right they be charged an affordable price for access and 20 to 30 Baht is a very low price. It would be very difficult to visit these beautiful locations if there wasn’t money to maintain the various roads and facilities that make the experience so enjoyable for tourists. I have visited a number of these dual price locations with Thai friends and have never felt I did not get value for the extra price of my admission, in fact I felt glad to be of help in keeping these amazing locations accessible.

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    Marty

    Friday, July 10, 2020 at 1:20 am

    Don’t mind paying Extra to help Thai economy as a Farang , but was Shocked to be charged 1500 bht entry fee to visit Phuket Zoo , when Locals paid 100 bht. . Needless to say a bit extravagant.

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    me

    Friday, July 10, 2020 at 10:21 am

    show me proof that you live here and get a thai discount (bank card, id, drivers license, etc.)

    if you’re coming from elsewhere, pay more.

    i’m all for it. the income discrepancy is unfair and this helps to balance it. i say this as a financially independent new yorker. i don’t mind paying more.

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      Rai

      Friday, July 10, 2020 at 11:48 am

      Not everyone is from New York, many people living in Europe can’t afford 1 room apartments or a car when Thai people have big houses and nice pickup trucks. Even tho income is bigger it’s still crazy hard to save and then you have to pay for ticket, and a hotel or Airbnb as well as keep renting your room in the west…

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    Kim Johansen

    Friday, July 10, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    Well they have managed to split foreigners in 3 groups. WP holders, retirerees and tourists.
    What is the difference in places that are not supported by tax money. ?

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    Toby Andrews

    Friday, July 10, 2020 at 4:35 pm

    However I saw Laos charge Thais the Felang price at Bhudda park in Laos.
    I laughed out load at the time.
    The Thais did not see the joke!
    They had a taste of their own medicine and I suppose it was bitter.

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    Cheeky falang

    Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 5:20 pm

    My wife and i go on our bikes, she goes in front and pays for two, my safety gear covers me head to toe and have a mirrored visor…. i get thai price.

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    Su

    Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    Because Thai people pay tax and all maintenances and staff salaries came from tax that Thai people paid. Many Thai never went to any of those places you mentioned eventhough they pay tax every month. When I made trips oversea I respected whatever tickets price that I have to pay as a foreigners.

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    World Traveller

    Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    Try jumping on a boat from Rassada Pier to Koh Yao Noi, THB300 for foreigners, THB30 for locals. I’ve travelled all over the world and Thailand’s dual pricing is the WORST I’ve encountered.

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    Russ Kozerski

    Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 8:38 am

    OMG. American expat here. Are westerners the most whiny, entitled people on earth? Listen to all these people complaining about having to pay 200 baht ($6 US) while on a vacation where it cost them $1000+ just for a plane ticket to get here. Four-star hotels are $50. Food is $1.50 a meal. This place is one of the least-expensive places on earth. But “life’s not fair. I had to pay more.” How about this. If you don’t like having to pay a few bucks to see amazing cultural sites, then stay home. Go to Yosemite, where there’s a $35 a day charge to get in. Or visit The Louvre in France, for $18. Or go to New York and visit the One World Trade Center viewing deck for $32. Or go ride the London Eye for $30 or the Niagara Falls Maid of the Mist for $22. Then you won’t have to complain about that $6 foreigner price in Thailand.

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Jack Burton is an American writer, broadcaster, linguist and journalist who has lived in Asia since 1987. A native of the state of Georgia, he attended the The University of Georgia's Henry Grady School of Journalism, which hands out journalism's prestigious Peabody Awards. His works have appeared in The China Post, The South China Morning Post, The International Herald Tribune and many magazines throughout Asia and the world. He is fluent in Mandarin and has appeared on television and radio for decades in Taiwan, Mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau.

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Thailand looks at proposal to make it easier for expats and long-termers

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Thailand is looking to make it easier for expats and long-term visa holders to stay in the country. The Immigration Bureau is hoping to boost investments and the economy once the pandemic is over. The proposed changes could do away with 90 day reporting requirements which have been well-received by expats.

Recently, the online website to report 90 day check-ins has been down, citing maintenance issues. Hotel staff have also been dealing with the TM-30 reporting system being down. Chayotid Kridakorn, a former head of JP Morgan Securities Thailand, told the Bangkok Post that immigration hoops are a key pain point for foreigners working in Thailand.

“We want to make it easier for foreigners to live and work in Thailand.”

Meanwhile, plans to help Thailand recover economically have been detailed in a framework to be proposed to the government’s economic panel in the next month. Improvements to immigration regulations, work permits for foreign experts, and visa applications are on the framework list. Relaxing location reporting requirements for foreign workers which is done through the 90 day reporting, is also slated to be amended.

The framework also will include inducements for foreign investors such as corporate income-tax cuts, relaxed property-holding rules and incentives for retirees and start-up companies. An adviser to Thailand’s Deputy PM, says he aims to bring in 1 million retirees or pensioners over the next few years. He says expats could collectively contribute as much as 1.2 trillion baht to the economy each year. But Thailand’s gross domestic product growth won’t return to pre-Covid levels until the 3rd quarter of 2022, according to the Bank of Thailand.

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Proposals to get rid of 90 day reporting and ease investment rules in Thailand

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In amongst a sea of bad new over the past week, a glimmer of hope for expats and long-stay travellers. You better sit down…

The Thai government are looking into changing the long standing 90 day reporting for people staying in Thailand longer than 90 days on a long-stay visa. But don’t get out the champagne just yet.

For the last few decades any foreigner staying in Thailand for more than 90 days had to report to Thai Immigration about their current whereabouts. Immigration officials added an online alternative a few years ago but its reliability has been patchy.

As far as The Thaiger can tell, the online reporting has been down for at least 3 months. (Comment below if you’ve had a different experience)

The Bangkok Post reports that the changes form part of a strategy “to boost investment and tourism revenue”.

For hotels that have had to report the arrival and location of any foreign arrivals, the equally unpopular TM30 form, the online posting of this information has also been equally patchy over the last few months (many hotels simply don’t bother – it’s up to YOU to insist they check you in with the Immigration system).

Though there has been no official announcement made at this stage, the desperation for visitors and tourist, that used to fuel up to 20% of Thailand’s annual GDP, is forcing all departments to look at relaxing earlier draconian or outdated paperwork in favour of encouraging more arrivals, during the Covid-era or or after.

Immigration officials have often cited the need to track transnational crime as the reason to maintain its strict, and often inconvenient, rules – 90 day reporting, TM30s and TM 28s.

But none of this has reached beyond proposal stage at the moment but, according to the head of a government taskforce investigating the proposals at the moment, there will never be a better time to bring Thailand’s immigration and investment rules into the 21st century.

Chayotid Kridakorn, a former head of JP Morgan Securities, in now leading a Thai government economic panel to recommend changes that will make it easier for investors and travellers to enter into, and stay, in Thailand, according to Bangkok Post.

Even on their most optimistic guesses, the Bank of Thailand says GDP is unlikely to return to pre-Civd levels until Q3, this year. Many pundits would say this is optimistic, indeed.

Other groups to fall between the immigration cracks, up to now, have included the digital nomads – people who want to work remotely, anywhere, anytime. Their creed is ‘have laptop and wifi – can work’. Most digital nomads have used various visas, and border hops, to keep living and working in Thailand. Under current rules, their work has been, strictly, illegal and a specific visa wold allow the Thai government to better control this huge resource and tax them more effectively.

Mr Chayotid says that Thailand doesn’t “want to be left behind and die with old technology”.

SOURCE: Bangkok Post

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Privatising Covid vaccines – Thai government gives private hospitals the go-ahead to buy vaccines

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“About 10,000 people are being vaccinated around Thailand, on average, with 14,000 people being vaccinated each day in Phuket.”

Private hospitals and institutions have been given the official go-ahead to purchase up to 10 million doses of approved Covid-19 vaccines. The purchases will be in addition to what the Thai government is also doing. The major sticking point, despite the approval, however, continues to be the world supply shortage of vaccines, with demand far outstripping current supply.

The CCSA’s Dr. Taweesilp Visanuyothin announced that the Thai PM had approved the privatisation of vaccines but maintained that the roll out of free vaccines for Thais and people at risk would continue at full pace. The Thai government have been fending off accusations that it was blocking the acquisition of vaccines by private companies and hospitals. The 10 million doses approved for private purchases actually allows about 5 million vaccinated people with most of the approved vaccines needing 2 doses.

The spokesperson explained that the Thai government needs to have 40 million Thais vaccinated before they would be able to claim any scientific level of herd immunity. The public health minister said that around 10,000 people per day are being vaccinated around the country, on average. About 350,000 doses have arrived in Thailand and 1.5 million more doses are awaiting delivery for this month, according to the Thai PM.

The order allows the private sector to use a letter of approval from the Thai government to purchase its own supplies separately. Or, alternatively, to purchase directly from the government and resell to customers.

The government’s current order for vaccines is enough for around 35 million people with a local supplier, manufacturing the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine under license, from June this year.

Dr Taweesilp also urged private companies to target and purchase vaccines from manufacturers other than the vaccine companies the Thai government were already dealing with.

The following vaccines are currently approved in Thailand…

  • AZD1222 by AstraZeneca/Oxford University (2 doses)
  • ARS-CoV-2 (CoronaVac) by Sinovac (2 doses)
  • NT162b2/CORMIRNATY – Tozinameran by Pfizer/BioNTech (2 doses)
  • Covishield (ChAdOx1_nCoV19) by the Serum Institute of India (2 doses)
  • Ad26.COV2.S by the Janssen Pharmaceutical Companies of Johnson & Johnson (Single dose)
  • mRNA-1273 by Moderna (2 doses)

There are also current applications pending from other vaccine producers which will likely be approved in coming weeks.

Many expats have been chasing information about when they could expect to be vaccinated. Despite some promises from the government there has been little concrete information about formalities to register for vaccination at this stage. Meanwhile many expats have indicated they were prepared to pay for their vaccination but were unable to get clarification from private hospitals about when that may be available.

In Phuket the provincial government has promised ALL registered residents, local or foreign, that they would be eligible for government-funded vaccination. There has been a flurry of activity on the island over the past 2 weeks since the ‘Sandbox’ proposal was approved, in principal, for a July re-opening of quarantine-free tourism to vaccinated travellers. There has been queues and waiting lists at the island’s public hospitals every day for the past week. Currently some 14,000 people are being vaccinated every day, on average.

Meanwhile, the events of the past few days – the closure of entertainment venues and bars in 41 provinces, including all the main tourist areas – will force the government to re-consider any scheduled plans to re-open borders and reduction of quarantine times. Travellers are still allowed to visit Thailand, under new guidelines introduced on April 1, 2021.

What you currently need to enter Thailand…

  • Vaccine certificate, either a print out or the original document (or vaccinated travellers)
  • Certificate of Entry issued by the Royal Thai Embassy in your country
  • Covid-19 health insurance with a minimum coverage of US$100,000
  • Booking confirmation for an Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ) hotel
  • Negative Covid-19 test issued no more than 72 hours before departure

Anyone considering travelling to Thailand at this time is recommended to check with the Thai embassy in their country first, before making bookings of ASQ hotels or flights.

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