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A leading academic at Mahidol University says rising cases of Covid-19 in neighbouring countries may prove a threat to Thailand’s apparent success in suppressing the virus. Prasit Watthana, dean of the Faculty of Medicine, Siriroj Hospital, says that while countries like Singapore, South Korea, and Australia have demonstrated success in bringing the virus under control, rising numbers in Malaysia and Myanmar may pose a threat. Yesterday, Malaysia recorded a new high of 12 deaths and 1,054 new cases. On the same day, Myanmar reported 25 deaths and 1,197 new cases.

Prasit says global cases are rising at a rate of around 1 million every 2 days, with many European countries recording second waves as the winter months mean people are spending more time indoors and generally not adopting practices such as wearing masks. Europe has now reached a milestone of over 11 million cases. The US continues to be one of the worst-affected countries in the world, recording around 100,000 new cases a day.

The race for a vaccine is gathering pace, with Prasit saying phase 3 trials are expected to have a 50% success rate. He is hopeful a vaccine could be available by the middle of 2021. Meanwhile, he says the best protection against Covid-19 is to wear a mask, wash hands regularly and to observe social distancing.

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    mike

    November 4, 2020 at 10:40 am

    Covid success? Thailand has had no covid success. It’s economy is in tatters, an entire sector all but shut down completely, crime is through the roof, there is now political unrest to boot. And they are not even testing! Covid is probably rife!

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      Issan John

      November 4, 2020 at 10:50 am

      If Covid was “probably rife” do you not think people might notice?

      Utterly moronic, but unfortunately not alone.

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        Galaxy

        November 4, 2020 at 11:19 am

        Yes, you are right, you are also a good member of these ones!

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        Don R

        November 8, 2020 at 9:28 pm

        Honestly, no, I don’t think anyone would notice if the media weren’t reporting test results.

        In a truly serious pandemic, you’d see people dying around you. This covid thing is a joke.

        We’re 10 years into a social media experiment, and you’re seeing the wonderful results: Trump, mass panic over the flu. It’s created a society that walks on egg shells.

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    Issan John

    November 4, 2020 at 11:01 am

    A good, realistic article.

    Thailand’s had outstanding success in controlling Covid and in balancing that with minimising the inevitable issues from the downturn in the global economy – as, to be fair, have others such as Cambodia, Vietnam and Taiwan.

    International tourism has suffered unavoidably, but even if Thailand had kept it’s borders open that would still have happened and Thailand would also now have been facing the same problems as Europe, which it can’t afford, AS WELL as the collapse in tourism.

    The only solution is to close the borders with Myanmar and Malaysia – it makes no sense to close the airports but to keep some land borders open.

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      SG666

      November 4, 2020 at 1:34 pm

      Sure sure, LOScam with a testing rate lower than many African countries has outstanding success in controlling covid…LOL. Never heard so much nonsense.

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      Mike Frenchie

      November 4, 2020 at 3:44 pm

      Yeah, build a wall! lol
      Only option is controlled path to herd immunity (like Sweden)… either today or next year covid will be in Thailand and vaccine is only 50%-70% max effective!

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        Issan John

        November 5, 2020 at 3:00 pm

        Well, Sweden’s PM Stefan Lofvan doesn’t agree with you any more, which is why he recently said “We are going in the wrong direction. The situation is very serious” and he just introduced a partial lockdown as cases and deaths have doubled in the last fortnight, with one of the highest per capita death rates in Europe (12th highest in the world).

        According to the AMA, Sweden and the US are “the only two countries with high overall mortality rates that failed to rapidly reduce those numbers as the pandemic progressed”. While others were worse initially, at the start of the pandemic, the US and Sweden were way ahead of anyone else during May (37 and 24 deaths per 100,000 respectively) as they have been since June.

        As for the vaccine, I think it’s reasonable to say that as yet “nobody knows”.

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      Toby Andrews

      November 4, 2020 at 6:11 pm

      But Thailand could open the borders with Cambodia. There have been no deaths.
      There have been no deaths in Laos, why not open the border with Laos?
      There is some advantage corrupt Thailand has by not opening the borders with these countries.
      Maybe they are afraid foreigners will flee Thailand and take their money to these countries.

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        Issan John

        November 4, 2020 at 8:52 pm

        What would be the point?

        What would Thailand stand to gain? … and how can Thailand take such a decision unilaterally when it obviously involves both countries?

        Thailand would then be reliant on those countries to carry out testing and quarantine for anyone coming in, when their tseting and quarantine requirements are not the same as Thailand’s and could cyhange without notice.

        The idea that thailand may be “afraid foreigners will flee Thailand and take their money to these countries” is beyond absurd if someone wants to move their money to another country, they can do so now exactly as they could before.

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        Mike

        November 5, 2020 at 11:22 am

        Remember that people like Issan John are benefitting from closed borders. Less white competition, lower prioces everywhere. They can be the centre of attention again like the old farts where back in the late 80’s.

        They care so little for the Thai people and so much about themselves.

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          Issan John

          November 5, 2020 at 2:42 pm

          Really?
          How, exactly, am I “benefitting”?

          What “white competition” is there?

          I haven’t seen anyone “white” for several months, and that was only when I went to Lotus / Macro / Big ‘C’ in the provincial capital!

          … and what “lower prices everywhere”???

          Do you think petrol’s got cheaper, or the food in the markets, or 7-11!

          The assumption that all expats here live in Pattaya or Phuket and live in an “expat bubble” would be amusing if, like everything else you’re posting, it wasn’t so absurdly ill-informed.

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    Glenn

    November 4, 2020 at 11:42 am

    10+ months and less than 60 deaths… 99.95% of the population unaffected, and yet the fear porn reports keep being copy pasted into what masquerades as the news.

    the test need testing. asymptomatic means means not sick.

    the WEF, UN, WHO, and a number of very wealthy people want to reset the world in their own way. CV is the scam that is being used to subjugate populations into submission.

    wake up people, communism and authoritarian control never worked out in history because it is anti-human nature – anti-human.

    DON’T FALL FOR THE SCAM

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      SG666

      November 4, 2020 at 1:25 pm

      Totally agree with you.

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      Issan John

      November 4, 2020 at 1:27 pm

      …. so is the “SCAM” yours, and others’, where people are being “subjugated into submission” by the “fear porn reports” …?

      …. or is it Mike’s, and others’, where Covid is “rife” in Thailand but nobody cares about the “fear porn reports” which is why nobody’s bothered to get tested or go to hospital … or die …?

      … quite a dichotomy … unless, of course, it’s neither and the world isn’t being run by very wealthy Satan worshipping, baby eating paedophiles after all …

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    Issan John

    November 4, 2020 at 2:45 pm

    Actually you don’t …..

    You say it’s a scam because Thailand’s not testing so Covid must be rife, etc, etc …..

    While Glenn says it’s a scam as there are less than 60 deaths and 99.95% of the population are unaffected …..

    ROFL … 555

    Oh, and Glenn, “asymptomatic” doesn’t mean “not sick”, it means … well … asymptomatic, and always has done.

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    Lily

    November 4, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    Thai people can fly without Covid restrictions to Europe, but people from Europe are not welcome or need a expensive and long quarantaine in Thailand, because we are high risk countries. Because….we DO massive testing and we have a lot of elderly people in nursing homes. Most tourist are younger then 65 years old. Most people who have died from covid-19 in Europa are older then 70-80 years old. Since there is no massive testing in Thailand and neighbour countries, who can really tell how the situation is?
    Nobody really believes that Thailand hardly has no cases. They can keep there borders closed, but at some point the they have to open once. In meantime we”ll spent our yearly 3 months holiday euros not in Thailand.

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      Issan John

      November 4, 2020 at 4:29 pm

      So because Europe’s got it wrong and is suffering the very obvious consequences, Thailand should now do the same?

      Seriously?

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      Issan John

      November 4, 2020 at 9:09 pm

      I’ve always hoped before that those complaining about Thailand not allowing tourists in were ill-informed rather than thoughtless ors selfish, but this leaves little room for doubt.

      “… we DO massive testing and we have a lot of elderly people in nursing homes. Most tourist are younger then 65 years old.”

      SO WHAT?

      In Thailand we DON’T “have a lot of elderly people are in nursing homes” as they’re nearly all living in the community, many in multi-generational families. That most tourists will be “younger than 65 years old” means that while the tourists are unlikely to die from Covid-19 if they’re contagious, the Thais aren’t so fortunate.

      SO WHAT?

      Does that somehow mean Thailand somehow has to accept them dying here just so you can have a holiday?

      “Since there is no massive testing in Thailand and neighbour countries, who can really tell how the situation is?”

      ANYONE WHO OPENS THEIR EYES, TURNS ON THEIR BRAIN CELL, AND LOOKS AROUND!

      “In meantime we”ll spent our yearly 3 months holiday euros not in Thailand.”

      GOOD. In the meantime, Thais won’t be dying and having their lives disrupted and economy destroyed just so you can have your 3 months annual holiday.

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        SG666

        November 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm

        Interesting.

        ‘Thais wont be dying and having their lifes and economy detroyed,…LOL.

        Thailand lost around 20percent of its GDP due to border closing, the government sets up stimulus after stimulus package from which many have to be extended as their are not enough participants in the scheme because people have no money to spend.

        Airlines filing bankruptcy, Thai Airways and NOK Air. Many Hotels in Bangkok, Samui, Phuket are closed. The forecast for the economic growth rate remains negative.

        What king of stuff you smoke up there in Isaan Region ?

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          Issan John

          November 5, 2020 at 3:10 pm

          Actually it’s not “20 percent of its GDP” as it never made up 20% of GDP. Informed estimates are that it makes up 10 – 12%.

          I’m not suggesting that Thailand has somehow been unaffected, as you seem to suggest, far from it, but that it has “had outstanding success in controlling Covid and in balancing that with minimising the inevitable issues from the downturn in the global economy – as, to be fair, have others such as Cambodia, Vietnam and Taiwan.”

          What part of “international tourism has suffered unavoidably, but even if Thailand had kept it’s borders open that would still have happened and Thailand would also now have been facing the same problems as Europe, which it can’t afford, AS WELL as the collapse in tourism” did you not understand? … or what part don’t you agree with?

          Why compound the inevitable losses, which are outside Thailand’s control, with affecting people’s lives and destroying the rest of the economy just so some farangs can have a holiday here?

          Why? WHY?

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    steen thomsen

    November 4, 2020 at 4:08 pm

    Not necessary to make tests when nobody have Covid. If somebody have Covid, some will end in Hospital. Not happened in 6 month!!

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    Yan

    November 4, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    How will Thailand act/react when farang who had a vaccine would like to come back or stay?

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    Khun plastic

    November 5, 2020 at 9:44 am

    I would be very careful of statistics from any official anywhere.
    I remember when hiv/aids kicked off in the 80’when I lived in Bangkok.
    People were in fear of the unknown.
    The TV, Bangkok post and nation reported week after week the disease did not exist in Thailand. the few case in Thailand were mainly foreigner sex tourists who were hastily deported.very senior officials up to royal level went on record to dismiss Thailand had a problem and re assure the public all was well.
    Week after week single digit hiv infection rates were released.
    I found the figures very surprising given the amount of shared needle drug use and unprotected sex with sex industry workers going on then.the very few Thai people who contracted hiv were invariably drug users and sex industry workers.they were hastily isolated and vilified in the press.even the government hospital’s did not want to touch them.
    Dr mechai also found the figures very surprising also.

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      Issan John

      November 5, 2020 at 3:26 pm

      A very fair and informed observation, Khun P, but maybe Thailand’s learnt it’s lesson which seems to be the case.

      That “fear of the unknown” and denial was also pretty widespread world-wide, as was ignorance. I recall that in one of the European contingents with UNTAC in the early 90’s, by the end of their tour 30% had HIV and over 60% had an STD (according to a conversation I had with their MO at the time, who thought the figures were probably actually far worse) but that was never made known.

      There’s no such stigma with Covid-19, though, as the assumption at that time was that HIV was confined to “shared needle drug use and unprotected sex with sex industry workers” while Thais know that isn’t the case with Covid-19, the symptoms are very well known, temperature testing is widespread even if very basic, hospitals are very well used to dealing with similar issues such as dengue fever, hospitalization and the treatment’s now free, and the hospitals are all very well prepared.

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    Issan John

    November 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm

    Mike, you’re simply completely wrong both factually and in your baseless assumptions and absurd conclusions.

    Thailand IS testing. FACT. It’s carrying out targeted testing wherever and whenever there’s an outbreak, rather than the frantic mass testing the West is attempting to do but failing dismally.

    Why do you assume that “of course people have noticed”?

    On what basis?

    The news media (“and by news I don’t mean thethaiger”)? There isn’t a single mention of any anywhere apart from the known cases. None. NONE. N-O-N-E!

    Thai social media, facebook, instagram, etc, which Thais can’t get enough of? Again, There isn’t a single mention of any anywhere apart from the known cases. None. NONE. N-O-N-E!

    You’re just talking rubbish based on what you think should be happening, but it’s contradicted by everything here. Everything. EVERYTHING!

    “… but are likely too afraid to seek help because of the stigma and the prospect of not being able to work – also the inability to pay for care.”

    This is just nonsense, which demonstrates an almost laughable lack of knowledge of anything to do with Thailand.
    What “stigma”? Covid-19 isn’t HIV / Aids, and Thais are as frightened of Covid-19 as anyone else – probably more than many.

    Why would “the prospect of not being able to work” put Thais off going to the hospital for testing and treatment?

    WHY?

    Do you imagine that Thais just prefer to “work through” illness?

    Have you ever been to a Thai government hospital?

    It’s now an entirely accepted part fo life, and something Thais are not only used to but expect – look at the numbers going to hospitals for even mild cases of dengue fever, where there’s no treatment and only palliative care.

    The last few months, and up until now, are also the “best” time for Thais to be hospitalised and “nat able to work”, with a downturn in construction, reduced OT in factories, and the “off”season in the fields as it’s post rice and sugar cane planting and pre-harvesting.

    … as for “the inability to pay for care”, what planet are you on?

    IT’S FREE. Whether salaried and paying taxes, or with a “yellow card”, there is no longer any “inability to pay for care”. IT’S FREE, you un-informed “dullard”.

    “Also, many cases are symptomless” … yes, but 20% AREN’T!

    Your ignorance while telling me to “read the news” isn’t any surprise, but it’s rather sad.

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No vaccine, no entry – the world’s next travel challenge

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UPDATE: Australia’s national airline has already said it will impose “proof of vaccine” on all inbound and outbound international flights, a situation that IATA says they are likely to follow. Read more HERE.

ORIGINAL POST: With the announcements this week about several vaccine candidate trials, either being completed or at the end of their Phase 3 testings, and the applications to government bodies for ‘emergency approval’, we now have to face the next question.

What restrictions will be imposed on those people who don’t have the vaccine, or even actively choose not to have the vaccine?

And more locally…

Will Thailand allow people to enter Thailand without first having the Covid-19 vaccine?

Given the Thai Government’s low-risk strategy, well almost zero-risk strategy, and reluctance to take any chances with a second wave of Covid 19, it is highly likely there will be a stipulation that anyone entering Thailand will need a vaccine certificate or stamp in their passports.

Couple this with the Thai population’s continued fear of allowing foreigners back into the country at this time, in poll after poll, and it’s a safe bet there will be a “no vaccine, no entry” restriction imposed.

On a positive note, the Thai government may drop the 14 day quarantine for people that have had the vaccine (but not in the early days).

At this stage we know that most of the vaccine trials have had a 95% efficacy. We also know that the leading BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine needs an original jab plus a booster and has to be transported at extremely low temperature.

To complicate matters, there is not yet sufficient evidence that having had a bout of Covid-19, whether asymptomatic or not, guarantees you immunity. Or, if it does, for how long?

All these factors will mean that some level of quarantine will probably be in force as the Thai government slowly re-opens its borders to a wider groups of vaccinated travellers. This would remain in force until the world has a better knowledge of both the proven efficacy of the vaccine, or vaccines, and the re-infection rates.

So, even if we start getting groups of the world’s populations vaccinated before the end of the year, and that’s still a very big IF, there’s a lot more water to pass under the bridge until a coherent, reliable vaccine strategy can be understood and implemented.

Then there will be a rump of people, either hard core anti-vaxxers, or others who are at least skeptical of a new vaccine, who will want to wait or not want the vaccine at all. Public education, some strong science and a successful roll out of the early vaccines will be a key to winning over a lot of the world’s population.

Somehow governments and health authorities are going to have to wind back much of the disinformation floating around the internet about vaccines that is so factually out of whack with reality, it’s going to be one of the greatest public health challenges of all time, to reassure people about the science of vaccines and vaccination.

All this, in the middle of a pandemic that, for now, is still on the ascendency as far as new cases and deaths are concerned.

But there is little doubt rejoining the world of international travel, even local travel, could become restricted to only those who are vaccinated. The rest will be stuck roaming around their own countries, or states, for… years with a raft of restrictions on their lives. Who knows.

Will shopping centres or public buildings also impose a “no vaccine, no entry” policy? Hotels? Public buildings? Job applications?

On top of the economic stress which has fallen on a lot of the world, with so many governments now facing the headwinds of deep recession, the vaccine ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ will add even more public disquiet.

At this stage nobody is sure how the vaccine will be rolled out in Thailand. The Thai government has already signed up for several of the leading vaccine candidates and will most likely provide the vaccine for free to citizens under its public health system.

What does that mean for foreigners living here? If you are covered, with a work permit, under the country’s public health, are you able to get the vaccine for free too? Will the thousands of foreigners on private health insurance be covered?

Surely the insurers will want its customers to be vaccinated. Sick customers cost them money. So, will insurance renewals be limited to only people who have been vaccinated? Will visas be renewed only if you have been vaccinated?

At this stage there are no firm answers to any of these questions.

And then there is the SARS Cov2 virus (Covid-19) itself, a living virus which has the ability to mutate and adapt. Will these new vaccines be effective against all mutations? Again, this is all ahead of us.

We’re certainly now entering a new phase of this pandemic. New challenges, new questions. The rising numbers of cases throughout 2020 is only the first chapter of a book that will be many more years in the making.

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As news that US may acquire its first shipment of Covid vaccines in mid-December, Thailand may have to wait to share the vaccines as they will likely be made available to the US and Japan first, before the rest of the world. Pfizer and Moderna recently announced their vaccines were about 95% effective, with some countries starting to preorder the vaccines despite shipment challenges that include maintaining a low temperature during transport.

Already, the US and Japan have preordered 300 and 120 million doses respectively, according to Kiat Ruxrungtham, the director of Covid-19 vaccine research and development project of the Faculty of Medicine at Chulalongkorn University. But Thailand may have other options as Kiat said 11 other pharmaceutical companies are developing the vaccine that could be distributed on a large scale. Out of Thailand’s 7 potential Covid-19 vaccines, 2 have successfully completed the animal testing stage and will proceed to human testing starting in April 2021.

However, Kiat says BioNet-Asia Co’s vaccine may be lagging behind due to the short supply of vaccine precursors, as many have been bought by bigger companies. He adds that a team has been testing Cu-Cov19, an mRNA vaccine, on macaques at Chulalongkorn University’s National Primate Research Centre in Saraburi with BioNet-Asia being the centre’s partner.

He said the project does not had sufficient funding from the government, but the state is finding ways to preorder vaccines from Covax, a company working with the World Health Organization and cooperating with AstraZeneca and Oxford University.

Today, Thailand’s CCSA reports 2 new imported cases of Covid, 1 of which is a 5 month old Indian baby girl, bringing the total number of cases to 3,922 with 0 new deaths. The Centre for Covid Situation Administration reported that the girl arrived on November 11 on the same flight as 2 previously confirmed cases. The baby tested positive 5 days later, while displaying symptoms such as a fever and vomitting.

 

SOURCE: The Phuket News

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While the Covid pandemic has hit Thailand’s businesses hard, it has also washed away its not-so-legal soapy massage parlours after tourism has dried up its clientele. Such places, known as glorified brothels, have left many masseuses out of work as boards have barricaded the once booming establishments.

Soapy Massage (àap-òp-nûat, อาบอบนวด, literally bath, steam, massage)…
These are the bigger massage parlours where girls are presented in the fishbowl and you get the full program (including sex) for a fixed price, depending on the girl starting from 1,500 and up to 5,000 Baht.

Only a few of the soapy services have survived the pandemic in Pattaya, with Honey Massage Parlour being one of them, according to The Pattaya Mail. After adjusting to the new requirements for social distancing, the business has re-opened on November 19. However, its largest shop has closed, once known as Honey 1 on Soi Honey, or Soi 11, the windows are dark and barricaded. Honey Inn is also up for sale.

25 year old masseuse Maywadee, says she used to work in such parlours where she would get a cut of the 1,500 to 2,500 baht fee. She says she used to see up to 7 clients a day, but now that number has been cut in half as Chinese and Japanese tourists, who were her largest group of customers have dwindled. Now, she is thinking about heading back to her home city of Chiang Mai, to sell handicrafts, as her Pattaya income has dried up.

Such parlours feature masseuses that are usually not native to the area, as many come from lower socio-economic areas such as Thailands northeastern provinces, otherwise known as Isaan. Many make the trip to tourist-driven cities like Pattaya, Koh Samui, Bangkok and others, in an attempt to make a higher salary than they would if they were back in Isaan.

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