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The Association of Thai Travel Agents is urging the government to do away with the mandatory 14 day quarantine for vaccinated foreign arrivals by the third quarter of the year. The president of the ATTA, Vichit Prakobgosol, says 30% of 10,000 inbound tourism firms have had to close for good due to the financial devastation caused by the pandemic.

He adds that a further 50% have closed temporarily since Thailand shut its borders, with only 20% of inbound tourism companies still operating. Those still in business have survived by shifting their focus to domestic tourists but are now suffering as a result of the resurgence of Covid-19. Vichit says that in order to help them survive, the government must focus on getting the second wave under control by next month and bring cases of local transmission down into double digits.

“If the number of infections has reduced from hundreds to tens, it should create trust and a better tourism atmosphere. It is believed that in the third quarter of 2021, there will be more foreign tourists visiting the country and the tourism sector will recover more than 80% in 2022. This will, without a doubt, gradually solve the country’s struggling economy.”

Vichit adds that with vaccination programmes already underway in many countries around the world, including Thailand’s tourist markets of China and Southeast Asia, tourists who can prove they’ve been vaccinated should be exempt from mandatory quarantine.

“Approximately, more than 1 billion people around the world will have completed 2 doses of Covid-19 vaccinations later this year and many will desperately want to travel abroad after over a year of being locked down at home. Therefore, we would like the government to put measures in to accommodate and attract this group of people to travel in Thailand without a 14-day quarantine.”

He adds that the rollout of the first Covid-19 vaccine to arrive in the Kingdom next month may go some way to reducing concerns among Thais.

“Moreover, the earlier announcement of the arrival of Covid-19 vaccination in Thailand by February might have caused less stress and concern among Thai people when welcoming foreign tourists. We predict the majority of vulnerable and at risk people will be vaccinated by the third quarter in Thailand based on the government’s current plan, which should allow vaccinated people to enter with no quarantine.”

SOURCE: The Pattaya News

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88 Comments

88 Comments

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    EdwardV

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:37 am

    I was figuring September but July works for me.

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    dave

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:38 am

    Hooray for that idea!

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    Andy W

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:41 am

    Until the authorities can quantity the portion of vaccinated people that can still carry the virus, I can’t see them dropping quarantine. Maybe they will reduce the period but it won’t be dropped until Thailand has vaccinated their own ‘vulnerable’ as a minimum.

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      J West

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:43 pm

      The silver lining to the Covid Crisis is that the Thai Administration recognizes it as the opportunity to clean house and reorganize tourism and it’s relationship with long term immigration.

      ” Bad guys out, Good guys in”…it’s not just a slogan. Such an opportunity to enact sweeping change would/might not have been possible otherwise. They’d be fools not to, and this government is no fool.

      The long term program of eliminating the garbage is well underway, has been for years. Covid is the opportunity to push the agenda along faster.

      It’s my belief that Thai tourism does not reflect the character of the country or it’s people. Time to change that, for the better.

      Why isn’t Norway, Germany, UK, Sweden etc pimping thier children into debauched perverted cess pool red light districts in the home countries? Why should Thailand be expected to allow that in any way?

      A reorganized and regulated industry would also make it easier to police. ” Bad guys out” also means the elimination of taxi mafia, beach rip offs, double charging, street prostitution etc. And seriously, does Phuket really need 10,000 unregistered hotels?

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        Andy W

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:32 pm

        It looks like they’ll be replacing one set of bad guys with another set of bad guys…

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        Leo Z

        Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:31 am

        Some noble ideas, except there is no centralized effort (much less government-sponsored effort) to pimp anyone’s children in Thailand (referring to “Why isn’t Norway, Germany, UK, Sweden etc pimping thier children into debauched perverted cess pool red light districts in the home countries? Why should Thailand be expected to allow that in any way?”).

        In China for example, all the things you mentioned are outlawed. Yet scamming, fraud, prostitution, gambling, divorces etc. are increasing. So obviously we have to look elsewhere for the causes.

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        chupapi

        Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 12:10 am

        In Germany prostitution is legal and regulated, and major cities have RLD zones or buildings. The idea that “tourism to Thailand = sex tourism” is rather silly and frankly outdated. Note that prostitution itself is not illegal here, but activities associated with it are. Until the 1960s it was regulated, at the beginning of the XX century there was even healthcare coverage for prostitutes as well.

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    Jason

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:43 am

    Good to see some forward thinking going on. There is demand but, as has been said ad nauseum on this site, no one will quarantine for 14 days.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:01 pm

      … and, as has also been said ad nauseam, there is not only no evidence but more significantly there are no claims from the manufacturers that vaccinitions reduce transmissions, so there’s no rational reason to exempt those vaccinated from quarantine.

      If the vaccinated are just as infectious as the unvaccinated (and since they’re likely to take less precautions they’re actually more likely to be infectious, not less) then the only rational decision is to either minimise the risk and quarantine everyone or take the risk and not quarantine anyone.

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        Ray

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:55 pm

        IJ, you’re fearmongering again. Everything points in the direction and it is the general opinion among experts that vaccinated people are less infectious. To what extend we don’t know yet. Pharma only has to finish the follow-up trails.

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:10 pm

          Maybe you could name any “experts” in positions of authority, such as the UK’s Sage, in any country, who’ve said so?

          Any at all …

          … in any country, anywhere …

          … or anything from any of the manufacturers saying that?

          … or even hinting at the possibility?

          … or anything that “points in the direction?

          ANYTHING !!!

          … and what “follow up trials” are these you’re referring to, exactly?

          After Phase 3, the only “follow up trials” that can come up with any data that would support this are the Phase 4 trials, otherwise known as “emergency use”, which according to the manufacturers (who just might have a reasonable idea) will take years.

          Just asking, not expecting a constructive response …

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            Ray

            Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 7:35 pm

            Your standard response to critique is to turn everything into a question. It is boring most of us for sure. My opinion, like that of others, is an accumulation of articles, reports, interviews and such that I read and saw. What we found most interesting stuck, but we are not filing all these sources. That is how most people form an opinion. But not you. You want everything black and white in writing, but the subject is too large to keep well informed if you do this. You might be a good librarian or clerk but are not equipped to move forward and make intelligent decisions in unknown territory.
            Just google “are vaccinated people infectious”. If you have a brain larger than a peanut, you can easily discern which people answer with authority on the subject. There have been other vaccines, you know. Vaccinated individuals for covid-19 or their environment are being monitored, so expect an answer from Pharma in the near future. It will likely be positive. Intelligent people, like those in The Association of Thai Travel Agents are anticipating on this moment. You only bring out doom scenario’s.

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          Andy W

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:37 pm

          Ray, I think one of the manufacturers has said they believe people who have been vaccinated with their product are contagious for a shorter period, but wasn’t aware of anyone credible saying more than that.
          If that producer confirms that is the case then there’s certainly an argument for a shorter period, but only if you take their vaccine…

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            Issan John

            Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:49 pm

            Could give a source for that?

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            Rasputin

            Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 7:59 pm

            I’d take a different view on that, If a person had been vaccinated and then developed ‘corona’ then it would suggest the vaccine didn’t work apart from lessening the effects of the virus. The vaccinations have only just been started, and in the case of the UK, only one of the two doses recommended have been administered. At the moment, and for a few more months at least there is HO accurate reliable information regarding this. I have been aware for quite a while that there are questions about whether or not vaccinated people can still catch and pass on the virus, yet I don’t hear the manufacturers disputing the idea it could. It’s too early days yet to know the definitive answer.

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            Lily

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:58 pm

            Phase 4 is normally the test period for 1-2 million people. Everybody who is not taking the vaccine is a test object for Phase 4.

            All the mRNA vaccines are new, nobody knows what the longtime effects are for your body.

            Everybody is free to make its own choice whether he takes the va vaccine or not and which vaccine. It’s wrong that governments and later on countries demands a vaccine passport. It goes against all human rights when it goes about your body.

            Never there has been a vaccines or immunity passport for HIV/Aids or Hepatitis. Both are very contagious and could lead to death. More then 550.000 Hiv/aids patients in Thailand. Thailand does have another problem they don’t solve!

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          Ray W.

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:02 pm

          I can’t believe there is even a debate about this. At some point there has to be some acceptance that we, or anyone for that matter, can’t eliminate all risk entirely. At somepoint we have to move one, are vaccinations seriously still not enough? the way the entire human species has handled this pandemic has been nothing short of embarrassing, we have destroyed lives and livelihoods at levels that are so insanely out of proportion to the real harm of this virus its just plain pathetic.

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            Lily

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:50 am

            It’s easy to calculate what every saved life has cost the economy. Never, even with cancer patients, was the cost so high for a saved life.

            We all want to fight against nature, we all want to get older and older….against what price?

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        London Al

        Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:51 am

        How can the vaccinated possibly be as infectious as the unvaccinated, or as John thinks more infectious? How is that possible? If that were true there would be no point in vaccinating anyone.

        John’s logic is they can’t definitively say that won’t happen therefore it will happen, I can’t say definitively John won’t get run over by a bus when he goes out therefore he will.

        A vaccinated person who tests negative in advance of departure and twice again on arrival does not have Covid and is not transmitting Covid, there is no need to wait until September for people who meet that criteria.

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          Issan John

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:31 pm

          “How can the vaccinated possibly be as infectious as the unvaccinated…?”

          Very easily, if the point of the vaccine was to stop someone falling ill and being infectious wasn’t a consideration – WHICH IS THE CASE!

          The vaccines were NOT designed to stop infection, but to stop symptons developing. NOTHING MORE – anything else is a bonus. Look at the spec for the vaccines, FFS, instead of dreaming about what you’d like to happen.

          … and I DON’T think the vaccinated are more infectious per se, but that their ACTIONS make them more infectious.

          The “point in vaccinating” people is to stop them being affected by the virus – NOT to stop them being infectious. That was NOT what was specified, NOT part of the trials 9although it very easily could have been, nor is it what you think the vaccine was designed for, so your conclusion is utter bollox 9and that’s being polite).

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            Nipral

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 7:36 pm

            Thanks Dr 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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            preesy chepuce

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 11:39 pm

            You just don’t understand anything about vaccines, medicine, or pretty much anything.
            Nothing you say makes any sense, so when you say it aggressively it sounds even more ridiculous.

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          Lily

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:47 pm

          That’s not right what you are saying. Look to USA. 3 lawmakers did have the vaccine and few weeks later they tested positive.
          Positive means they could spreading the virus.
          I think covid becomes just like the flu, a seasonal flu which comes back every year.

          So just like a yearly shot for the flu, it doesn’t work. You can get sick with a flu shot as well.

          Thailand can keep the borders closed, but at some point it has to go open and then…..

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    Icecream licker

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:50 am

    quarantine for what? To stop the spread of a Virus that is supposedly to blame for 67 deaths in 12 months.

    Wow, I don’t know why my opinion is so unpopular. It’s like the media brainwashed you all. Well, John to be specific.

    John help do explain the dangers of this virus for us all again. Explain how 67 deaths is scary or a danger to everyone.

    You have been screaming the sky is falling with out a total lockdown and now the outbreak is already ending with the closure of bars and massages. Amazing that’s all it took to keep the entire country from dying and overwhelming the hospitals

    • The Thaiger

      The Thaiger

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:29 pm

      I’ll help you. Covid-19 is a current pandemic. The virus is NOT endemic and has only infected a tiny proportion of the community… what, less than 1%. So with a 1-2% deathrate (a world average) for infected people, multiplied by the entire population, it suddenly becomes a big number. Having just another respiratory virus endemic around the world is a problem we can do without. Except for the common cold, the other coronaviruses have been contained or simply ran out of steam due to a lack of hosts. Just letting it free to spread through 7.4 billion people… well, you do the maths. Either the governments and health experts around the world are right or you are right. In this case I’ll err on the side of the medical experts.

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        Akis

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:45 pm

        Not accurate morbidity rates .It differs significantly depending on age groups and pre-existing health issues.
        It’s accepted by the scientific community that below 65 among healthy people morbidity rates are below 0.5%..

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        Andy W

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:58 pm

        Sorry Thaiger, no one knows what proportion of the world population has or had had this virus, and they never will know because they aren’t testing the world population

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        Icecream licker

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 2:04 pm

        if you really think the measures taken are why there is no spread, I have an oceanside condo in Chiang mai to sell you. There’s no spread because minimal testing and almost no sick people.

        Let’s go back in time, the virus began in China in Sept/oct 2019 just as fed reserve began to prop up the bond market, why this is relevant will be described later. But at the time, the

        Chinese were pouring into Thailand, borders were not shut until mar/April.

        And yet some how, there was almost no cases in Thailand.

        I just don’t buy the official reporting. It will never add up to me. You can’t explain this inconsistency.

        The debate around pcr testing is a smoking gun that argues the amount of “cases” is intentionally misrepresenting this to be more dangerous than it actually is.

        To determine the fatality rate based on deaths vs positive cases is also a lie since not everyone who has it gets tested. That’s another misrepresented aspect of the “pandemic”

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:27 pm

          What “debate about pcr testing”?

          Could you spell out, FOR ONCE, just how you think it’s happening and being hidden when it’s just as easy to “fudge” someone’s height / weight / temperature / heart rate / hearing / eye-sight, etc? …

          Are you suggesting that the results are being “fudged” worldwide, and the hospitals packed with people that aren’t actually sick at the expense of the other patients who need cancer treatment and other operations? … and that they’re being killed off without anyone noticing or saying anything?

          … or that all the hospitals and doctors are all in on the act, along with the Satan worshipping, baby eating pedos?

          WHAT, EXACTLY, ARE YOU SUGGESTING?

          As for your “inconsistency”, maybe you need to do some more homework and research, as the major sources of infection that have been confirmed weren’t direct from China but indirectly, although AFAIK no-one’s yet been able to explain why. Maybe you could suggest an answer, although as you’ve never managed or attempted to explain anything else I doubt it.

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:30 pm

          Nearly forgot – and why do you think there are “almost no sick people” here?

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            Lily

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:54 am

            Because they don’t test in thailand. We cannot fly to Thailand without test, test and quarantine.

            When Thai people fly to Europe they don’t have to test and in quarantine.

            And from my own experience, they didn’t test me for Covid in Thailand even I was really sick for 3 weeks, but the hospital treatments and medicins were Covid-19 related.

            And for the record…I was not the only one in the hotel.

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          Lily

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:22 pm

          Right the virus came to Thailand because the didn’t close their borders. I and a lot of people became ill after New years Eve in Chiang Mai. Every December there a landing 10.000 people from Wuhan in Thailand. January same figures.

          They did not test (enough) in thailand. Especially in the beginning. And that why the virus is spreading very much today, is because they still believe China is covid free, the hookers are still spreading the virus and they keep their border open for myanmar for working
          Instead of Myanmar workers the Thai could to do that job too.

          Thailand is just starting now with Covid, were Europe and the USA started in March. From the beginning there was Covid in Thailand, because how was it otherwise possible that some one in the second week of there quarantine or later became ill of Covid. That can only happen when there is a positive person among the Thai people?!?

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          Lily

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:53 pm

          10.000 people from Wuhan arrived in Thailand in December 2019 and 10.000 from Wuhan in January 2020.
          11 millions chinese people in Thailand every year. You can imagine how many Chinese were at the time Covid started in Thailand or still arrived in Thailand.

          And Thailand did not have many Covid cases? From my personal experience….they don’t test and they’re quick with medicines that we are not allowed to use in Europe or the USA.

          I am sure they have a lot of Covid cases.

          • The Thaiger

            The Thaiger

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 4:05 pm

            Unless Covid-19 has a 1 year gestation period, those cases would have surfaced and spread 11 months ago. They didn’t.

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            Issan John

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 7:22 pm

            Lily, if you’ve just woken up we are now in 2021. You seem to have skipped a year …

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        Icecream licker

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 2:06 pm

        what about the videos going around last Feb from China showing people dropping dead in the street and convulsing. How come that never happened in other countries?

        That was just propaganda to spread fear and sell the story?

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          Lily

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:09 pm

          That happened sometimes in italy and spain as well. But the health system in spain and italy is much better then in China. In China they refused people at the hospital. You cannot compare China to Europa.

          I believe China it not honest about their figures, their vaccine strategy or anything else. The most interesting is that Thailand first open their borders for China. And see what’s happened….from hardly any cases to a big spreading now in Thailand. 72 hours test before flight..and quarantine does not work.

          You have to ask yourself the question how it’s possible that people at the end of their 2 weeks quarantine can tested positive? It means Thailand did have the virus among its own people. But when you don’t test…you don’t have cases!

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        Jesus Monroe

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:07 pm

        Hey Thaiger, what’s going on? It’s not like you guys to become involved in the discussion normally……It’s not that I think you shouldn’t be allowed to but you’ve got me concerned for your mental health……Is there something you need to talk to us about? We love you guys, we’re here to help………

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          Lily

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:31 pm

          It’s the same like in Europe with the newspapers and television.
          There is no critical journalist anymore. Everybody is afraid to express their opinion, because nobody knows which research paper is right and which science is right. It’s easier to go with the flow of the main stream media.

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      RA

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:57 pm

      It is the measures taken by the Thai government that has kept the deaths to 67, along with a infection rate of 0.015%. Compared to a worldwide infection rate of 1.16%. While I don’t applaud all of their measures I can’t fault them either. If the government just followed what the rest of the world has done we would be at 800,000+ infections and 16,000+ deaths. The UK has a comparable population with 3 million plus infections and 81,000+ deaths. Which side of the equation should we be on?

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        Manu

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:00 pm

        In my opinion, the only important numbers are people ending in intensive care and most of all, dying (and that is why Thailand do not do mass testing cause there is no people coming to hospitals, sick, dying. If this does not happen, that can mean only that there is no virus about or even better, it is harmless…). As for today, over 10 000 people tested positive and only 67 deaths. This is a very very low number of deaths for this amount of tested positive. Could a very easy answer explain this?

        Would it be possible that one of the criteria that might also explained this low death rate in Thailand could be the treatment given to the sick people? In Europe in “normal” time, when you are sick, you go to your gp, he makes a diagnose and gives the treatment that seems the best for it. Under the “new normal”, since March although some protocoles seemed to be working good already in many parts of the world, people in the UK (and most countries in Europe)were told to call the hospital and they were told to stay at home with paracetamol until they have difficulty to breath and other symptoms that show that the disease covid-19 is in late stage, for most it meant already intensive care. A couple of treatments have largely proven to reduce by a HUGE amount the amount of sick sent to intensive care and of course death rate but if…given AT EARLY STAGE. More than 200 studies from all over the world show clearly that for one of them, it is the protocole hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin. (Note to the Thaiger: this protocole is used in Thailand so please do not delete my comment this time).

        Yes Thailand is one the many countries using this protocole (cheap and safe, Chloroquine is the second most used mollecule of all time worldwide), which needs to be used at EARLY STAGE of the disease (when people arrive in hospitals after being told to stay home for days in the UK, France, Italy, etc…, it is too late – what would have happened if people had been given that treatement at early stage? Why did they not try anyhow since everybody knew it is completely safe and it was showing already excellent results instead of doing nothing???). It is already almost 3 weeks since people starting to get tested positive again in Thailand but hardly anyone died amongst the thousands tested positive (4 I think…??). Would it be because they treat patients properly at the early stage of the disease?? TheThaiger, you publish one article after another about vaccins, many of them completely pointless or even missleading, but NEVER you wrote an article about how people with covid 19 are treated in Thailand. Is it just not scary enough, and too boringly positive? What is the reason?? Do some journalism TheThaiger, investigate one of the main protocole used in Thailand, it would give your readers a break of this constant politic of fear by showing the evidence that you do not necessarily need to be vaccinated (if you are not in the small groups of vulnerable people) to protect yourself and others, that there is one treatment (at least but there is one other that works even better than this one) that is reducing by a very significant amount the possibility that you get very sick or worse if you catch covid 19. I am sure it would calm down a little the many covid-scared people commentating here…

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          Nipral

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 5:50 pm

          You seem to be as competent and relevant as the Thai “government” experts, but much more vocal ! So French !!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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            Manu

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:39 pm

            Competent??? And a weird comment on Nationality?? That’s all you got??

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          Ray

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 5:52 pm

          This is since long debunked, especially when the orange turd in the white house was eager to spread this false information. Currently it is the use of Dexamethasone that lowers death rates.

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            Manu

            Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:44 pm

            What are you talking about??? Some sources please,.

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:42 pm

          So … you seem to be suggesting two different things to account for Thailand’s success.

          1. That so many are dying in the West because they do so much mass testing, while they’re not in Thailand because they don’t. That seems to be one of ICL’s ideas too. Don’t you think someone would have noticed if the tests were killing people?

          2. That Thailand is administering “HUGE amounts” of “the protocole hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin” while the West isn’t, because it’s been shown to be useless. It’s not. Difficult for the Thaiger, or anyone else, to write an article about something that isn’t happening. Or do you actually have any evidence to the contrary?

          Any at all …

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            Manu

            Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:44 pm

            ???? All I could find to answer that. Funny guy…

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            preesy chepuce

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 11:41 pm

            Ohj please give it a rest, you can’t be that stupid, honestly.

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          PHIL

          Friday, January 15, 2021 at 9:01 pm

          it’s a RT PCR TEST PANDEMIC.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 1:17 pm

      RA, Thaiger, you beat me to it.

      If you contain something which is dangerous it’s … well … contained, so there are no “dangers”, while if you don’t it isn’t and there are. Hardly complicated.

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    Loutarzoon

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:05 pm

    If y want to keep stupid statistics away to find excuses for lockdown the whole economy, dont test more than 300 people a day.
    Better concentrate on enforcing the law over wearing an helmet like the masks, you will save thousands lives instead of dozens.

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    Bill

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:36 pm

    If some dies from the common cold and they have aids the cause of death is longstanding AIDS. If someone has 97 years of life, multiple comorbidities, and happens to catch covid shortly before their death it’s labeled as covid (and not the previous wear and tear of 97 years). As someone who has had covid I can attest to the fact that its nothing more than any other annoying illness (cold, flu, food poisoning) I’ve had it the past. Grow a pair.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 1:12 pm

      Sadly, Bill, there are rather a lot of other people that can’t attest to that “fact” although I’m sure that their families may have a different view.

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        Andy W

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 1:55 pm

        There are some that suffer badly or terminally, but that doesn’t change the fact that most are asymptomatic and most of the few that do suffer, suffer to the degree Bill states.

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:47 pm

          So because “most” are asymptomatic, we shouldn’t worry about those that are?

          So anyone who’s over 65 or has any other health issues from high blood pressure to cancer can just be written off and ignored?

          Just asking …

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          RA

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:06 am

          So, are you willing to roll those dice?

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          Manu

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:46 pm

          Indeed!!!

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        Icecream licker

        Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 3:24 pm

        Where are all the dead people that refrigerated trucks were needed. Come on!!

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          Issan John

          Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 6:52 pm

          Do a search for “refrigerated trucks dead from covid”.

          0.40 seconds for one and a half million results.

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      Geoff

      Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 2:05 pm

      So you think every person is the same? And will react the same as you? Not every person is as good a speciman as you. Young or old. Well fed or malnourished. Good access to medical treatment or not.
      Try being in a service where you look after your mates in dodgy situations or perhaps a few shifts in ICU or similar.
      Do you have family or have they already disowned you for obvious reasons?

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      Lily

      Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 7:19 am

      Talking about aids. Thailand more then half a million Hiv/aids patients. For a long time high in ranking after Africa.

      78% of the people do know that they have hiv/aids. 22% are still spreading the disease. There are more people dying in Thailand of aids or car accident then from Covid.

      Thailand is talking about vaccine proof before you can entry the country. Maybe they have to ask for a negative HIV, Hepatitis or SOA test as well😉

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        Issan John

        Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:46 pm

        Lily, can you catch HIV just by breathing infected air? From just touching something that someone with HIV has touched?

        No, you can’t.

        It’s not infectious apart from via an exchange of bodily fluids so it’s as disingenuous to compare the two as it is to say that “when Thai people fly to Europe they don’t have to test and in quarantine” when those flying to Europe from countries with high levels of Covid DO have to test and quarantine in many European countries.

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          Lily

          Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:42 pm

          John you don’t understand the point? Thailand is well know for its sex tourism. As you can see now with the spreading of the virus. It started with the hookers in November. They can spread Covid and HIV.

          When Thailand starts to solve their problems with HIV and car accidents, the country has less death. Most deaths are now from HIV and car accidents.

          The chance you get Covid in Thailand and die from it is minimal, less then 0,5%

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            Issan John

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 7:33 pm

            The “point”, Lily, is that HIV, traffic accidents, and Covid-19 are three completely different, unconnected issues.

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            preesy chepuce

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 11:43 pm

            He doesn’t understand anything, yet there he goes, raging on day after day, frothing at his keyboard. Can TheThaiger show some responsibility and put a timeout on his submissions, it’s too much now.

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    ozopinion

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 1:05 pm

    You can let anyone you want in, its if countries like Australia/NZ/UK will let them leave and go back without quarantine. If they have to go back to 2weeks of self-paid quarantine, they will unlikely come

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    Gosport

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 2:24 pm

    Very bold action if taken, vaccinated can not guarantee infection. But, it is good for my papaya salad and coconut plantation, above all, all lazy monkeys. It is time to work.

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    tron

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    Hopefully this works but i doubt it will happen. It was in the news that brazil did a study on the chinese vaccine and it was only 53% effective, so probably be another few years before we back to normal.

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      Issan John

      Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:56 pm

      Actually 50.4% – there are articles on it here.

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    A commercial traveller

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 7:40 pm

    The world needs to come together to find a JOINT solution otherwise, the world will remain closed and dysfunctional.

    There has to be a solution for commerce and tourism otherwise the world becomes one big North Korea – CLOSED.

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    Bigsleazypappa

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    Absolute great idea it’s the sensible solution that Thailand’s needed to get through this. If you’ve had the vaccine you can enter without quarantine hopefully a sensible step in the right direction. This cannot go on forever people are starving children are sleeping in door ways of shops it’s so sad. My girlfriend sent me a video from Pattaya the other day it’s desperate extremely desperate. Hopefully a glimmer of hope but until then it’s a long time that the Thai people have to really struggle on so so sad

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      Issan John

      Friday, January 15, 2021 at 7:37 pm

      Don’t worry, BSP, I’m sure someone will be taking care of your “girlfriend”.

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    Alavan

    Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 10:58 pm

    Simple, if somebody is vaccinated, after 14 days he is immune (with the exception of about 5% cases).
    So let them enter after that time, and take a test. If they are negative then, let them enter. In the unlikely case they catch Covid, it is not imported.
    And for advice, I will listen to experts, not pseudo’s.

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      Rasputin

      Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:30 am

      You clearly haven’t listened to any experts before making your post, I can’t find any facts in it, although the 5% figure is rather high and only relates to their self proclaimed results of their most successful vaccine.

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        Issan John

        Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:00 pm

        Exactly, Ras.

        As has been pointed out countless times, being “immune” does NOT mean or even suggest not being contagious, and the manufacturers of the vaccines have never suggested it does, nor is it what the vaccines were designed or trialed for.

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    Ray

    Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:42 am

    Just seen an interview today with Marc Kaptein of Pfizer. He said that the first data coming out of Israel, which is far ahead with vaccinations, are very promising in regards to transmission of the virus. A group of 200.000 vaccinated people above 60 and a similar group without vaccination was followed. Included in the tracking were the people with whom they had contact. The former showed a reduction in transmission of about 30 percent. This was only two weeks after the first injection.

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      Issan John

      Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:30 pm

      Sorry to ask you questions you don’t like and are unable to answer, but do you have a source for that?

      I can’t find any trace of such an interview anywhere, although the reports I did find on “the first data coming out of Israel”, for example in The Times of Israel dated 12 January were very clear that there is “somewhat contrary data” and “the cause for the discrepancy between the studies was not immediately clear”.

      The only “data” I could find that referenced any drop “of about 30 percent” was that “according to figures released by Clalit, Israel’s largest health provider, the chance of a person being infected with the coronavirus dropped by 33% 14 days after they were vaccinated.”

      So … any chance of a source for that interview?

      … and FWIW, 20% of the Israeli population have reportedly already been vaccinated, including “73% of Israelis who are over the age of 60 or who have other high-risk factors [who] have already been vaccinated with at least one shot”.

      If correct, which it almost certainly is, then “a reduction in transmission of about 30 percent” would be expected even if the reduction in infection after being vaccinated was zero / nada / completely non-existent.

      Anyone with “a brain larger than a peanut” would have been able to work that out for themselves.

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        Ray

        Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 3:45 pm

        No, that’s not the data I was referring too. The statement by Marc Kaptein was made on Dutch national television and is probably insider information. I live in country of free speech and where investigative journalism is among the best. There are also a lot of experts. Sometimes they have different opinions and argue with each other or with government officials. I have seen several interviews where information was shared that hasn’t been published yet. If you read up one of my comments months ago I wrote when the roll-out of the vaccine in the UK would start. It wasn’t even published on the BBC. I got that knowledge from the managing director of seven hospitals in London who said it on tv in my country (he is Dutch). It happened exactly as he said.
        IJ, accept the fact that you simply don’t have access to all information out there.

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          Issan John

          Friday, January 15, 2021 at 7:57 pm

          Ray, if the information’s been “shared” in the media then by definition it’s available.

          Odd that you have access to all this information that’s available on Dutch TV, but nobody else does and none of the world’s press noticed it … or maybe not.

          As I said, though, “a reduction in transmission of about 30 percent” would be expected even if the reduction in infection after being vaccinated was zero / nada / completely non-existent.

          If that’s indeed the “data” Marc Kaptein of Pfizer gave, it doesn’t support your conclusion at all.

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            Ray

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 9:00 pm

            Your calculation is based on different data and it was not my conclusion but literally Mac Kaptein’s words. My prediction based on his interview is that transmission rates from vaccinated people will become extremely low when they got the second dose. This is completely in line with vaccines for other diseases.
            The interview is online and can be streamed but it is in Dutch language. Hardly any use to you and for the international media. Just as Marc Levi, managing director of 7 London hospitals, announced on Dutch tv (maybe before he was allowed to say this) that he was instructed by the UK government to prepare for vaccinations when the vaccine wasn’t even submitted for approval. That also wasn’t picked up by international media. It became news weeks later.

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            preesy chepuce

            Friday, January 15, 2021 at 11:46 pm

            Go and find it then, you lazy fock, stop haranging people with your demands and retarded commentry.

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    Xrayman

    Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:45 am

    The only people making comments against this article who have some grasp of intelligence is Icecreamlicker and the two Rays. Dont take the bait from other comments, some of whom state themselves that “it defies belief” yet they still believe it all. What i am doing commenting myself, i feel like ive let myself down now.

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    Mel Burn

    Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 11:26 pm

    “the cure is worse than the disease”. The world is overpopulated. Population increased threefold from 2.5 billion to 8.5 billion in 70 years. So deaths of even millions of mostly old and sick people does not matter. But economies and health have been ruined. More drug resistant bacteria created by use of antibiotic to treat Covid related pneumonia. Governments fueled panic and panic never leads to a good outcome.

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      The Thaiger

      Friday, January 15, 2021 at 11:30 am

      I think it matters if you’re old and sick.

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      Issan John

      Friday, January 15, 2021 at 8:05 pm

      Wouldn’t it be much better just to dispose of the 20% – 30% of the population, depending on the country, who are “old and sick”?

      The Soylent Green option?

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        preesy chepuce

        Friday, January 15, 2021 at 11:19 pm

        You could volunteer, if you’re so concerned.

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    PHIL

    Friday, January 15, 2021 at 8:53 pm

    It’s a good idea if the vaccin is efficient and has no heavy secondary effect ;unfortunatly is not;

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    chupapi

    Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 12:11 am

    It will be like yellow fever vaccine mandated for entering some countries in Africa and South America. Just showing one’s vaccine booklet at the border should be sufficient.

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Norway adjusts advice after 28 possible vaccine-related deaths of elderly people

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The deaths of 23 elderly people are being investigated after dying a short time of receiving their first Covid-19 vaccine in Norway. Apart from the 23 deaths, medical officials are also reporting several people falling ill after receiving their first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine.

At this stage there has been no direct correlation between the people’s deaths and inoculation wit the Pfizer vaccine, but medical officials report that 13 out of 23 people who died showed “common side effects of mRNA vaccines” such as “diarrhea, nausea and fever”.

mRNA vaccines are a new type of vaccine to protect against infectious diseases. To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies – cdc.gov

The Norwegian Institute of Public Health has taken the action of cautioning against vaccinating elderly people above 80 years of age saying “those with a short life span may not benefit much from the jab”.

“For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences.”

“The agency listed fever and nausea as side effects which may have led to the deaths of some frail patients.”

Earlier this week, the Public Health authority noted that “any side effects of the vaccine will be outweighed by a reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with Covid-19 for elderly, frail people.”

Steinar Madsen, the medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency, says that it may be a coincidence, “but we aren’t sure”.

Pfizer and BioNTech are actively working with the Norwegian authorities to investigate the death.

“The regulator discovered the number of incidents so far is not alarming and in line with expectations.”

But experts are of “the strong opinion” that doctors need to exercise caution in vaccinating people in the wake of the deaths of the 23 elderly people. The Norwegian Medicines Agency also reported that 21 women and 8 men reported side effects. Apart from the 23 deaths, 9 people have reported “serious side effects” without fatal outcomes such as “allergic reactions, strong discomfort and severe fever. Seven people reported less serious side effects such as severe pain at the injection site”.

Norwegian medical staff had administered at least the first dose of the Pfizer or Moderna coronavirus vaccines to approximately 33,000 people as of the end of December.

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Health Minister volunteering to receive first Covid jab, as effectiveness rate questioned

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“I’ll go first!”

Thailand’s Public Health Minister has repeated his pledge to be the first person to receive the Covid-19 vaccine, in a bid to allay people’s concerns. Questions have been raised about the Chinese-manufactured Sinovac Biotech jab after its effectiveness rating was revised downwards by researchers in Brazil.

Anutin Charnvirakul says the vaccine process will be overseen by Sophon Mekthon from the Ministry of Public Health and all safety criteria will be met. The Pattaya News reports that the minister says he has confidence in the safety of the vaccine and is willing to prove it by being the first person to get the jab. It’s not the first time he has made this suggestion but there has been no official confirmation that the Health Minister will be first in line.

Thailand has ordered 2 million doses of the vaccine, with the first 200,000 expected to arrive next month. The government has also ordered 26 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine produced by AstraZeneca in partnership with Oxford University but is not expected to take delivery of that vaccine until the middle of the year.

SOURCE: The Pattaya News

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Pattaya City mayor planning local rollout of Covid-19 vaccine

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The mayor of Pattaya city says officials hope to be able to buy 240,000 doses of the Covid-19 vaccine for administration to local residents. Sonthaya Khunpluem is reviewing finances and plans to set aside approximately 80 million baht for vaccine procurement, subject to government approval.

“Currently, house registration of Pattaya City has reached a total population of 120,000 people, then we would need about 240,000 shots of the vaccine. If the price of the supplied vaccine was approximately 300 baht, Pattaya would need a budget of at least 72 million baht in order to cover all the residents in the city.”

The move comes following confirmation from the government that local authorities could purchase their own vaccines in order to speed up the process. A number of other local authorities have also said they intend to do the same. The government has stipulated that only vaccines approved by the Food and Drug Administration can be purchased.

Sonthaya hopes that by vaccinating Pattaya residents, tourism in the area could get a boost and the economic recovery could begin. The Pattaya News reports that officials from the Pattaya City Finance Office and other relevant agencies have met to review projects planned for the year ahead, to determine Pattaya’s spending power for buying vaccines.

It’s understood the vaccine would be offered to local residents for free, but what is not known is if that includes foreign residents. Officials have also not confirmed when the rollout is expected to begin, or which vaccine would be used.

SOURCE: The Pattaya News

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