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Thailand’s Department of Health Service Support is demanding a private hospital in Bangkok’s Bang Khen district to remove advertising for people to pre-order their Covid-19 vaccines. The vaccines they were advertising were from the US biotech firm Moderna.

While the Moderna vaccine is now approved by food and drug authorities in Canada and the US, the vaccine still needs approval from Thailand’s FDA.

At this stage no Covid-19 vaccines have been certified for use in Thailand.

The advertisement were placed on social media on December 26 stating that the hospital was offering a Covid-19 vaccination. Of course, they were flooded with enquires. The hospital has not declared how many people responded to the promotion or paid booking slots for the proposed vaccine.

The DHSS director-general is asking staff to check the contents of the private hospital’s online vaccine promotion.

In the ads, the hospital was charging 4,000 baht for a booking of the vaccine. In the post the hospital said the vaccine would arrive in Thailand in October 2021. The all also announced that the vaccine would cost 6,000-10,000 baht.

Some Thai private hospitals have been price-gouging customers throughout the outbreak of Covid-19 in Thailand, asking patients to pay up to 30,000 for a Covid-19 test or demanding they have a test, at the patient’s expense, before undergoing any surgery.

Thailand’s Food and Drug Administration has ordered the hospital to immediately remove the posts.

“The exact price of the vaccine, which will have to be administered in two doses, will be known by Jan 6 next year.”

The link to a booking page on the private hospital’s website has now been removed.

The DHSS director-general says that the hospital may have violated Section 38 of the Medical Facilities Act by “failing to secure permission to run an advertisement for medicine and medical services”. “It is also liable for publicly carrying exaggerated information.

“Failure to obtain permission is punishable by a prison term, a fine, or both.”

 

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    Frank Leboeuf

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:14 am

    Predictable – Let’s hope the Thai government will continue keep a lid on price gouging enteprises.

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    Alte Ledertasche

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:16 am

    10k THB for a vaccine ? I would not even take it if it would be free.

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    Toby Andrews

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:20 am

    They have started already, demonstrating their greedy Thai money grubbing nature.
    These vaccines are likely to be given to Thailand from the West at cost price.
    If an accident happened on the road, some Thai official would be there demanding the victim pay for cleaning up the blood.

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      Issan John

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:25 pm

      “likely” ?

      No, these particular vaccines (Pfizer / BioNTech’s and Moderna’s) are not going to be given to anyone by the West at cost price. The manufacturers have already said that.

      “money grubbing” ? It’s a private hospital, a for profit business, not a charity!

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        Toby Andrews

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm

        Where do the vaccine manufacturers say that?
        and is this vaccine really worth B10.000. They even charge B4000 just to book!
        I have yet to be outrages at what foreigners have to pay. I’m sure it will be twice the price.
        Anyway, it does not matter what I object to.
        This hospital have violated section 38 of the Medical facilities Act, punishable by a fine or prison. The Thais also object.
        Slap the cuffs on them, DHSS director general.

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          Issan John

          Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:03 am

          In their statements on future pricing, Toby – all readily available but apparently you have problems with search engines.

          While others have guaranteed to keep their prices set for developing countries in perpetuity, Pfizer and Moderna have not.

          Is it “really worth B10,000”?

          If that’s what some people are prepared to pay then, by definition, that’s what it’s “worth” so that’s rather an asinine question.

          … and what do “foreigners” have to do with it? That’s their price for anyone, Thai, foreign, or in-between.

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    JD

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:23 am

    Nice benefit margin: the Belgian government bought the same vaccine for about 19 €, what is 700 THB! Once more, people’s misery is exploited to make money…

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      Issan John

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:28 pm

      See above. The “Belgian government” is there to support Belgians, not make money. A private hospital is there to make a profit. It’s hardly complicated …

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        Joe

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:02 pm

        Issan John is as usual defending the dark side.

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          Issan John

          Monday, December 28, 2020 at 3:53 pm

          Not “defending” anything – simply making it clear that the “price-gouging” has nothing to do with “Thailand” as some here are suggesting, completely wrongly.

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        Frank Leboeuf

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:10 pm

        This is one situation where, in line with my convictions, the state should step in and contain the profit-making in such conditions, and put the welfare of its people first.

        Same goes for mask-price gouging, etc… Glad the Thai government is stepping in on such crucial issues.

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    disgusted `

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:42 am

    Greed seems to be the deciding factor in Thailand and pricing like this is outrageous to say the least. When other countries are estimating the vaccine to be a lot less than the Thai hospitals are claiming.

    Most countries are pricing the vaccine at minimal prices and in some cases free. The Pfizer vaccine has been priced at $19.50 per dose which comes to roughly $39 per patient according to Forbes.
    If Thailand gouges the prices people who have had no work or income for the last year due to the lock down will not be able to afford it and people will not be able to get the vaccine.

    The Government need to stop this outrageous pricing right now. To see any significant change in the spread of Covid 19 60% to 70% of the population has to be inoculated before the virus will see any real drop in cases which will have a huge impact on the Thai economy and tourism if this is not dealt with now.

    It seems that greed is the main factor here not peoples lives. Disgraceful behavior.

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      Alte Ledertasche

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:48 am

      What you expected ? LOS=Land of Scam. It will never change.

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      Issan John

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:33 pm

      Of course it’s “greed” – it’s a private hospital, there to make the most profit it can for it’s owners as a business.

      How much do you think private hospitals will charge in the West for those who want to jump the queue?

      “Thailand” isn’t “gouging the prices” – where do you dream up this rubbish from?

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        Joe

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:06 pm

        Issan John who works part time for Simon cabaret is not the right person to be making moral assessments.

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        Frank Leboeuf

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:12 pm

        In such circumstances, it should be illegal to jump the cue, don’t you think?

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          Issan John

          Monday, December 28, 2020 at 3:50 pm

          I do, and I agree with you, but it isn’t – the same thing’s already happening in Australia: “… At the same time, the head of the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), John Skerritt, has noted manufacturers will also be able to sell vaccines privately: “We live in a free market economy […] There’s nothing stopping companies as long as they have the TGA approval to put that vaccine on the market in Australia.”

          TBH, I doubt that the mRNA (Pfizer or Moderna) vaccines will actually end up being sold here with people jumping the queue as the transportation and storage costs mean that it won’t be viable.

          The AstraZenec vaccine may well be available for sale, I don’t know, but as that may be the only option for expats (emphasis on “may”) and it would barely affect the government programme i don’t see that as a major issue.

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        B.T.

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:44 pm

        Since this is government controlled program there is no such jump queue.Vaccine are available for government contracts.Don’t dream.

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    Malc Thai

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:45 am

    Many countries have given the go ahead for 2 vaccines..Thailand keep saying how great their healthcare is so why are they dragging their heels on this? Maybe the cost involved of the vaccines given the go ahead so are waiting for the cheapest to become available.. I bet the cheapest gets the go ahead first

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      Alte Ledertasche

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:52 am

      Because their world class healthcare system is nothing else than a matketing gag.

      • The Thaiger

        The Thaiger

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:18 pm

        No, it’s actually a very good public health system, well certainly better than many.

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          Issan John

          Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:37 pm

          Well said, Thaiger. It’s an outstanding public health system, way better than anything most in the West have to offer, particularly the USA where it’s a disgrace and they can only dream of having anything remotely as good.

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            Alte Ledertasche

            Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:57 pm

            If you compare it to other 3rd world countries yes but not if you compare it to Singapore, the UAE and Western Europe.

            And as the Thai authorities are advertising their healthcare system as worldclass this is nothing else than a blatant lie and marketing gag.

          • The Thaiger

            The Thaiger

            Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:09 pm

            It constantly ends up in the Top 10 lists of best public healthcare systems in the world. The Thaiger has received FREE healthcare, as a foreigner working in Thailand, for 8 years and always had completely satisfactory service, including 1 major procedure. First hand review… 8 out of 10. As public health systems go, worldwide, it works and serves 68 million people equitably and fairly.

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            Alte Ledertasche

            Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:43 pm

            Lunatics, the fact that something is available for everybody for free does not mean that its good.

            The equipment available and the education and skills of the staff including doctors and nurses is simply not up to international standard.

            Have a look at Vajira Hospital on Phuket which serves as the main Hospital on the island.

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            Tony

            Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:40 pm

            What changes ? .The same same those who have can have can have and those who don’t have can’t have.

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            Rasputin

            Monday, December 28, 2020 at 6:58 pm

            Rubbish, can a poor, elderly Thai peasant have rapid access to advanced high tech surgery such as heart, brain, and cancer surgery etc. With access to advanced drugs and long term aftercare with rehabilitation? A UK citizen can, for emergency treatment, elective surgery can involve a waiting list, I recently had cataract surgery, 6 months wait, my eyesight now is better than when I was a 30 year old, and it cost Nothing! Just the taxi fare there and back Possible in Thailand ehh? Time to take your rose coloured glasses off. World class? yes if you have the deep pockets needed to use the International hospitals. If not it’s a bit of a lottery if you are seriously ill and need complex treatment.

          • The Thaiger

            The Thaiger

            Monday, December 28, 2020 at 8:36 pm

            Yes, a “poor, elderly Thai peasant CAN have rapid access to advanced high tech surgery such as heart, brain, and cancer surgery”. Including cataract surgery. What is your other question?

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      Issan John

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:51 pm

      God almighty … do people like you ever read the news about Thailand before making uninformed, totally asinine comments?

      The details about Thailand’s purchase of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been plastered all over Thai media for months, as have details of the production, here, and the distribution.

      The mRNA vaccines (Pfizer / BioNTech and Moderna) are useless for Thailand and many other countries, even if they were available – which they’re not as all stocks have been bought by the West.
      They’re not just outrageously expensive to buy, at around $20 and $40 a dose respectively compared to AstraZeneca at $3, but outrageously expensive to store and distribute as they have to be kept at -70c and -20c until used which Thailand and most countries don’t have the infrastructure for.

      The West (UK, US,EU) has rushed into rolling out vaccines that are at best still experimental in a desperate bid to make political capital out of it before the New Year, in a disgraceful attempt to make up for their terrible handling of Covid and the hundreds of thousands who’ve already died.

      It will make little difference to Thailand and Thais if the roll out here starts before the New Year or in two or three months, but at least when it starts the vaccine will be the best available, easily distributed, and a relatively known and properly trialled and tested one.

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    Alte Ledertasche

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm

    If you compare it to other 3rd world countries yes but not if you compare it to Singapore, the UAE and western Europe.

    And as the Thai authorities are advertising their healthcare system as worldclass this is nothing else than a blatant lie and marketing gag.

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      Issan John

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:32 pm

      ABSOLUTE AND UTTER RUBBISH, and verifiably so.

      Have you ever used it?

      According to CEOWorld last year, and similar studies give similar rankings, Thailand has the sixth best healthcare system in the world, behind (in order) Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Austria and Denmark. That’s SIXTH – 6th.

      Singapore, undoubtedly one of the best and certainly the most efficient in the world, but at a price, comes in at 24th, and the UAE at 20th – the rankings are simply for “best healthcare systems”, not value, efficiency, etc.

      Most Western European countries can only dream about having a public health system which is as accessible as Thailands’s, or as cheap for ALL its citizens regardless of which system they access it under. Look at the queues and waiting times in the UK under the much boasted about NHS – not just for A&E, which is now limited to one hospital per county in much of the UK compared to 24/7 even in a small town like my nearest one with a population of 20,000 but for basic testing and screening, which can take months.

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        Alte Ledertasche

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:07 pm

        You are a lunatic, actually CEO world is the ONLY magazine where I found this rating, can you name others ?

        I have been once to Vajira on Phuket as I was told about a good doctor there despite the fact having a premium private healthcare insurance so I thought its worth giving it a try.
        I left this place immediately. Overcrowded, dirty, smelly, patients placed on the corridors.

        Once I than ended up for an MRI scan at Bangkok Hospital as not any other hospital had a machine on the island, which was a 1.5 Tesla by the way so not even the most accurate. So there was 2016 1 MRI scan on Phuket, again ONE…and this in a private hospital only.

        As said in another post it is not important if something is available for free or at low cost to the public, what is important is the quality you receive, especially when you talking about healthcare.

        By the way, if the Thai healthcare system is so good than please explain why the Thai Hisos including the prime-minister are going for treatments to Western Europe, Singapore or the UAE ? Why company owners of other SEA countries sending their management to Thailand for treatment and themselves going to Singapore ? Why they do so if the quality of the Thai Healthcare is world class ?

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          Issan John

          Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:34 pm

          I thought I’d answered this, but apparently not.

          Try Bloomberg for another one – in at number 8. Look harder.

          … and your priority isn’t seeing a good doctor, but if you have to put up with a hospital being “overcrowded, dirty, smelly, patients placed on the corridors”.

          Well, that’s your choice.

          … and there are at least 3 hospitals on Phuket with MRI, as a 30 second search shows, so maybe you simply don’t look hard enough.

          Why do hi-so’s go abroad, etc? Because they CAN. Whether they NEED to is a different matter entirely.

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        Toby Andrews

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 5:54 pm

        Yes you really picked your source to prove your point John. That CeoWorld is the only rating that puts Thailand in the top ten.
        Every ranking I saw did not even put Thailand and the top twenty.
        They were not even mentioned.
        We once visited a friend who was dying in a Chon Buri hospital. The whole ward was dying, and outside the window was some selfish Thai screeching away with an angle grinder!
        So some of the last sounds some of the Thai patents heard was the screech of an angle grinder.
        And once again you justify your point by referring to a similar Western matter.
        This is not a justification!

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          Issan John

          Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:53 pm

          See above, Toby.

          … and you think it would have been better to close a ward completely while minor repairs were being made outside than to have the patients put up with the noise of an angle grinder outside that disturbed your visit?

          Seriously?

          Or did that never cross your mind?

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    J West

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    What does anyone expect from a private hospital in Thailand? I’m also sure by October the local shaman will have vials of magic herbal sugar water available at knock down prices.

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      Issan John

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:58 pm

      Exactly, J West, although some here seem incapable of reading and understanding that.

      It’s a “private hospital” – there to make a profit, nothing else.

      When I go to my local hospital for my 4 monthly check up it costs me 50 baht to see the doctor, and any medication is at Thai cost price. If I opted for a private hospital instead, it would be at least ten times that (and the rest!).

      When I go for my annual check up (blood and urine tests, blood counts, full blood chemistry, urinalysis, etc) it costs me 500 baht – ten times that at a private hospital.

      A&E treatment, fortunately seldom, free or 50 baht for doctor’s fees, plus any direct costs and medication at Thai (cost) price.

      When admitted, again fortunately seldom, 750 baht a day for a room in the “Buddhist Monk Wing” of the main provincial hospital, directly comparable to 10,000 to 12,000 baht a day in a well known hospital chain.

      The “ambience” may not be the same (except for the Buddhist Monk Wing, which was), but if that’s what matters to you then that’s up to you to pay for it, just as it’s up to anyone buying the vaccine at a private hospital ANYWHERE in order to jump the queue to pay for that.

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        Kenneth Ojamae

        Monday, December 28, 2020 at 2:25 pm

        I agree John,,why dont people understand that a private hospital should make profit for its shareholders!!!
        My boss have me insured by a private insurance company to pay for me to “cut the line” if im sick,,cant people understand that?? Its same everywhere!!!

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    Alavan

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    The cheapest Astra Zeneca costs about 1,6€ and the most expensive Moderna 16€ in the EU. So if the private hospitals in Thailand ask something like 4000 or even 10000 Baht, then that is theft, not working for a profit.
    And to stop the pandemy, at least 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated. Good luck Thailand if that is the price for vaccinations.
    Thailand has good health services and hospitals… if you can afford it.
    And I wouldn’t rate Thailand in the top ten health services, a simple google will show that.

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    Ray

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    Jump the queue in October 2021? This confirms my estimate that the borders will not be open without quarantine before 2022…….

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      Yan

      Monday, December 28, 2020 at 7:53 pm

      Right…

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      Issan John

      Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:54 am

      They’d certainly be jumping the queue for the Moderna mRNA vaccine!

      Barring any surprises, the AstraZeneca vaccine should be well under way by then, though.

      As I said before, since the government isn’t going to buy the Moderna vaccine so this would be a tiny private import with a lot of investment needed for the logistic side I can’t see how it would be profitable, so you can draw your own conclusions on that one.

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    Yan

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    Sorry, typing fault: HLC should be HCQ….(Hydroxychloroquinine)…

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    Patrick Kelly

    Monday, December 28, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    Paranoia, lockdowns, closed borders, shuttered businesses galore……just another day in the Kingdom. This is just early days unfortunately.

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    Issan John

    Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 1:14 am

    I’ve deleted the names, but according to Channel News Asia “******* ********, a director at ********* Hospital, told Reuters: “There was a misunderstanding and so we’ve stopped the programme … We planned to order the vaccines, but now we’ve stopped.”

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      Malc Thai

      Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:24 am

      John just out of intrest the vaccines only have to be transported at -70°c once the vaccines are here in Thailand they last up to 30-35 days at normal refrigerator temperatures so can easily be shipped and administered here by private hospitals for foreigners if wish to do so .. I’m more concerned that the thai government would rather prosecute the hospital that were booking this in 9 months time,than reading the data like many other countries have done and pass the vaccines for use.. I understand the thai government have a contract with AstraZeneca to buy and produce their vaccine here.. my concern is why such a delay to give the go ahead ..I know the government
      didnt purchase any but why stop an independent hospital from doing so if they can get the supply chain

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      Toby Andrews

      Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 11:05 am

      I hope they gave all the B4000 booking fees back, or perhaps not.
      Caught out at being greedy money grubbing exploiters, they claim it is a misunderstanding, and stop the racket.
      Or maybe they were threatened with arrest. They did violate section 38 of the medical facilities act.

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    Stan

    Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 10:22 am

    I think a lot of people is missing the point here. It is the cost/benefit analysis. For example, if I want to go to Singapore (just an example), I will pay S$200 for a taxi with a plexiglass divider to get me to a quarantine hotel. Then pay S$2,000 for 15 day quarantine and have three Covid tests administered for S$200 a piece. Total cost of S$2,800 and 15 days being locked up in a single hotel room having shit meals delivered three times per day. That is TBH63,450 plus 15 days of solitary confinement. Will I pay twice TBH10,000 for two doses of vaccine? Hell YES! In a heartbeat! Can I get it tomorrow? I pay extra TBH10,000 to jump the Q jumping Q!

    As some have said, it is a cost/benefit analysis that everyone is free to do. If you don’t care about traveling anywhere and can afford to wait till 2022 for vaccine in your neighbourhood, then the TBH10,000 is of course too much. It has nothing to do with Thais being greedy. Go to China to see how everyone is really scalping foreigners!

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    TS

    Friday, January 1, 2021 at 9:50 am

    Thai agreed to manufacture the stuff but no fda approval for it yet? Oh yeah- it’s being ‘fast tracked.’Great! I love living here when not dealing with so called ministries and agencies but can’t beleive the ineptitude of the junta gov. They’ll get theirs at the get-go no doubt. But the average thai wont see vaccinations ’till year’s end if ever. Even if they can afford the inevitable price gouging.

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