More than 800 Covid-19 cases now linked to seafood market

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   Toby Andrews

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 1:49 pm

   90 percent asymptomatic right?
   who are not in pain and show no physical signs that they are ill until they are tested.
   When these Burmese start flopping over the shrimp and dying then they should treat this seriously.
   Just watch there will be not one death after this latest scare.
   The tests are not accurate and the testers are looking for patients so the hospitals and them can make money.
   And what about the distress this causes the Burmese.
   “If a person is ill and does not know about it why tell them – it will only make them ill.”
   Albert, in the Steptoe and son. British comedy.

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     Spenker

     Monday, December 21, 2020 at 2:51 pm

     Toby,
     I seriously doubt you are qualified for such statements, which I personally find absurd.
     Suggesting to wait for deaths to take appropriate measures is total nonsense.
     A growth in infection numbers would only damage the economy more.
     I am very pleased that all residents of Thailand can enjoy wandering around without much restriction as it is not the case in most of the rest of the world.
     I hope they very quickly manage to contain the new breakout of the virus, even if it takes strong measure such as local lockdowns in some areas to protect the rest of the country.
     Actually I would very welcome strong penalties for those who breach the safety measure of quarantine.
     Thus, to discourage anyone entering the country without following safety measures and putting at risk the freedom of move and health safety of all others, besides the economical impact it could have on the entire country.
     PS: some never appreciate what is and will always criticize, no matter what.
     I would suggest you stick to British comedy.

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       Toby Andrews

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:27 pm

       Do I have to be qualified?
       Are you qualified to find my statement absurd. Where are your qualifications?
       I do not have to be a statistician to make a conclusion from the figures.
       5289 alleged having the virus, 60 deaths. How dangerous is that?
       The last death was in September, the first over three months.
       A man arrive sick from Saudi Arabia and had damaged lungs. They claim he died of covid. I doubt it because he was asymptomatic.
       This means he was showing no symptoms. How can he have died of Covid when he was showing no symptoms?
       I am qualified to state that Thais have a great tendency to lie and cheat. This fake testing is another cheat, for the reasons I have stated.
       My qualifications for this statement are, I first came to Thailand in 1988, and have lived most of the last six years in Thailand. I have learned about the Thai race.
       I will say it again. There will be no deaths from this latest so called emergency – not unless an old man dies of old age and the Thais fake his death as covid.
       When you are qualified answer this post, as you think I have to be to write a post.
       answer.
       I appreciate what is: You write rubbish.

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         kenny

         Monday, December 21, 2020 at 8:02 pm

         I am so sick of the comments people are making about the failures of country’s governments to saulve this horrible virus . let’s not forget where it started and what that country as done to help on the many unanswered questions which are being asked ,issan John needs to take a moment to think about things before criticing the efforts that are being made

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   Ynwaps

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 2:39 pm

   It does discourage people from getting tested. Who wants to be the first case unless seriously ill? Especially given the inaccuracies of testing and expenses involved, it is often better to just wear a mask and self isolate. Based on that we might already be way too late to prevent this wave from being controlled. Unless we go full china lock down mode (which isn’t going to happen), instead we’re probably going to bleed slowly into the new year with a vaccine on the horizon.

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     Issan John

     Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:01 pm

     Ynwaps, despite the hype, the reality according to the experts is that PCR testing is 93 – 97% accurate.

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       Ynwaps

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:18 pm

       Right, I was thinking more along the lines of rapid tests. PCR is quite accurate in comparison, depending when you get tested.

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         Issan John

         Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:15 pm

         Agreed 100%, Ynwaps. The rapid flow tests along the lines the UK is introducing and relying on in schools, universities and care homes is less than 49% accurate*, and that’s compared to the PCR tests.

         Unbelievable, but I suppose compared to just about everything else the UK government has done with Covid and anything else since it took office (and before) it’s par for the course. They make Thailand’s powers-that-be look all-seeing (and democratic!).

         *: according to the BMJ and SAGE

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           crispy

           Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 9:57 am

           Lateral flow tests: accuracy.

           Are you talking about false negatives or false positives, John?
           What do you mean by “and that’s compared to PCR tests”?

           There are many different versions of laterally test and improvements in accuracy, speed and cost are being made all the time.
           It’s called “lateral flow” because the sample flows along over a bed of antibodies and you get a positive result if there’s covid in the sample.
           PCR is another testing method. Itgives slightly more accurate results. But it takes longer and is more expensive.

           Readers can be confident that these LFT find 95% of cases of high viral load and 99.68% of those who did not have the virus received, correctly, a negative result.
           No test will get it right 100% of the time. We do the best we can with what we’ve got.

           Definitions:
           A positive test result, to “test positive”, means you’re carrying the virus.
           A negative result means you’re clear, you do not have the virus, you are not infected.
           A false positive is telling someone who does NOT have the virus that they have tested positive. They are wrong being being told they are infected.
           A false negative is telling an infected person that they are clear, wrongly telling them that they do not have the virus.
           Unfortunately, PCR tests and LTF tests both tend to return a higher rate of false negatives, than false positives.
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           crispy

           Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 10:00 am

           “Unbelievable, but I suppose compared to just about everything else the UK government has done with Covid and anything else since it took office (and before) it’s par for the course. They make Thailand’s powers-that-be look all-seeing (and democratic!).”
           That is a really ignorant comment. You need to watch your mouth if you want to retain any remaining credibility or affection.
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       Buy my vaccine

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:27 pm

       Corona rapid test with cola, check the results here:

       PCR testing is 93 – 97% accurate? LOL

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       Alte Ledertasche

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:47 pm

       This is completely wrong. Package inserts of PCR tests stating an accuracy of 70 percent.

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         Fake test

         Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:24 pm

         Not even near to 70%. Go to google and search: Corona test positive from cola? Scandal in parliament over bizarre politician experiment.
         PCR test is NOT trustworthy AT ALL, it can give you any results.

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       Rick

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:37 pm

       93-97% accurate?? What “experts” are these? Please present proof. We don’t even know how many cycles they are running. What nonsense.

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       Manu

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:35 pm

       These numbers apply for ALL testing methods to detect viruses in general. But what you “forgot” to add, although you are very aware of that, are the numbers related to the sensitivity of these PCR tests. And over 30/35 cycles, the % of accuracy is way lower than that. Over 40 cycles, it is more than 90% inaccuracy, “according to the experts”. I mentioned this a few times, asking if anyone knew about the sensitivity of the PCR tests in Thailand. But noone seems to know, and I cannot find any mention of this anywhere.

       As for the masks, apart from being useless outdoors and causing other health damages when being worn long hours (i am not even mentioning the horrible inhumanity that is to force little kids to wear it all day long at school although plenty of studies show now that they are not affected by covid-19 nor they are transmitters of the virus sars-cov-2), if it is not used properly, it can be more dangerous than helping if…. 1- while on your face, you do touch it with your hands unless you just washed your hands properly. 2- if you do not change your mask every 4 hours, and washed the used one ALONE at 90 degrees in a washing machine if washable, or through it in a “safe bin” if it is not. But really, honestly, who does that???

       All this for a disease that can easily be treated if treated at the early stage. But instead of trying to write a long comment of my own knowledge of it on this matter, I will give you 2 recent evidences…

       So if you REALLY want to be informed of some of the latests developments on this matter, go on youtube and search for…

       1-… “three-therapists dr zelenko dr derwand & pr sholz” (dated 20 dec.)

       2- … “pierre kory early covid 19 treatments” (a week ago) – this is the testimony of Dr Pierre Kory during the “Homeland Security hearing on early outpatient treatment for COVID-19” in the US Senate (seach for “WATCH: Homeland Security hearing on early outpatient treatment for COVID-19” if you want to watch the full hearings which contain even more interesting infos if you have over 2 hours to spare…)

       Here you have it, 2 treatments that have been working miracles over the last months if used at the early stage of the covid-19. That is exactly what health authorities and WHO should have been advocating for months but did not. Why? Well listen to the experts above (there are of course many many others – it is actually interesting to obvserve that there are indeed two sides of that story amongst scientists: the one side influenced by some various conflict of interests, the other who’s not) and make your own mind up. Test, Trace and Treat the patients at early stage, and really, there should not be any reason to panic like we are all over the world (still) now… unless it is the interests of some to do so.

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3. 

   Heyho

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:04 pm

   The IMF requires leaders to lockdown their population to get that IMF money.

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   quang

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:14 pm

   Fucking burmese, why they not do the quarantine in ASQ same everyone?

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     The Thaiger

     Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:27 pm

     Perhaps also relevant to ask ‘who’ brought them in, ‘who’ allowed them in, ‘who’ is employing them and ‘who’ was paid to look the other way.

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       crispy

       Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 10:06 am

       Best if moderators keep the language clean as otherwise you become an easy target for govt censors

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     Ted

     Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:32 pm

     quang a few questions for you:
     how do you think the burmanens got infected?
     – Do you really think that they have been home for some weekend fun and got infected there? – Or you might think that these persons, also, got over the boarder, just days before they got tested?
     – Or is there a the bigger chance that they got infected in Thailand, from a Thai person?

     Also to everyone, it’s not strange that all they test has some kind of link to Samut Sakhon, since they only test people who has been there or with people who has. Or has I missed some important fact?

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       Quang

       Monday, December 21, 2020 at 11:36 pm

       Ted,
       i think they entered thailand illegally and that they were already infected with covid since they did not undergo quanrantaine or test.
       Im a foreigner,and do the quarantine 15 days, 2 covid test during the quarantine and 1 test before take the flight, why we must follow the rules and another dont need??
       Im rude, but the fucking chinese people are the 1st reason of this problem…

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       crispy

       Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 10:15 am

       Covid isn’t native to Thailand so it came in from outside.
       Thailand has sacrificed its econo.y and its people to keep covid out.
       It entered undetected because controls were bypassed.
       The nationality of the culprits is a mixture of Thai and Burmese. But is that relevant?
       “Falang” were originally accused by a minister in the Thai government of being dirty and bringing in covid. Was this accurate? Helpful? Ordidit cause considerable resentment and alienate Thai people from world opinion?
       There is little point in making racist comment – just get on with the job and “live and let live” as far as possible.

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   Monir

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:32 pm

   Dear covid 19 control authority of Thailand, please don’t make scare people. Better teach people how to live with covid 19. Don’t blame others and figure out what you did last 8 months for preventive preparation. May people recovering without medication, many people are covid 19 positive without any symptoms. Thailand have lots of good hospital, prepare them to handle this situation. Also control privet health care institute so they can’t cut people pocket money by excusing covid 19. Give a general health care guideline for hospital and home treatment.
   All the best, expecting Thailand will recover this situation soon.

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   Jason

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:45 pm

   I do hope Thais aren’t relying on the comments I have seen so far….. with the noticeable exception of the last comment before mine, Contrary to the “scare mongering”, take note of what Australia and other countries with low transmission have done to contain the virus. Our city of Sydney is going through a lockdown right now. The city is locking down. People are wearing masks, isolating from others and keeping safe distance from other people. Mass testing is going on to determine any spread of the virus and other states have closed their borders to contain the spread. I hope Thailand does the same to protect it citizens. My heart goes out to those most disadvantaged. Please follow these steps so that I and many others can return to your shores 🙂 We all miss our Thai friends and hope this outbreak will be contained. Do not be scared people of Thailand! Be wise 🙂

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   Mike

   Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:57 pm

   “Migrant worker outbreak”

   Only in Thailand would an outbreak be described or defined by the ethnicity of the people infected. And when I say ethnicity, what I really mean is; Thai or not Thai. because remember, there are two types of people in this World. Thais and foreigners.

   I have read no other report where the cases have been described in this way, except to comment where minorities are more affected.

   In Thailand it seems that the point is made to point a finger. In the UK and USA the point is made to draw attention to the plight of minorities and the working class.

   It’s disgusting actually.

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     Leo Z

     Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:20 am

     The government takes it from the country it looks up to: China. Since March in China the state media had been labeling “imported cases” as “foreign cases”, to the point that it caused discrimination unimaginable even in Thailand. In April foreigners were kicked out of their homes, denied entry to supermarkets and restaurants. Turns out of course the foreign cases are 98% Chinese going back to China.

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   Leo Z

   Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:25 am

   Hunker down folks. Epidemiologists globally confirm that a COVID-infected person infects an average of 2-5 other people. Taking a conservative number of 3, it means that 100 infected people will infect, cumulatively, 24,000 in just 5 days. In 10 days, God help us, basically. You can do the arithmetic.

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   ThomasW

   Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 1:54 am

   What a loss of face and the world is watching. A system is only as good as the people controlling it, implementing it and managing it. In this case they are all Thai. So no need to blame foreigners, look in the mirror first. They will never admit the real extend of the problem, but compared to similar situation in other countries, it is big. With such numbers they have lost the control already. Why would anyone come to Thailand now, paying for ASQ and all the other bullshit to be potentially infected once they come out of it? I guess the plan to attract the rich who want to flee covid areas is off the table now?.

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