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Thanks to WB for sending us this response to earlier article. The views expressed by WB do not represent The Thaiger, its management or staff.

Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand, although many activities associated with it are (brothels, pimping, causing a public nuisance, etc.). Nevertheless, it was estimated to be worth US$6.4 billion a year in revenue (2015), accounting for a significant portion of the national GDP – Wikipedia.


Thailand faces a grim choice. It can have tourism with widespread Covid or it can stay closed up, but it can’t have tourism without Covid … there is no middle ground. All the data available from other countries shows this to be the case.

Its second dilemma is that Thailand has traditional multi generational households (generally 3 generations) and if Covid gets into the broader community it will pose a massive threat as it will be impossible to isolate the elderly/vulnerable, from the younger generations that will predominantly remain asymptomatic and spread the virus unknowingly.

The third dilemma is the Government’s refusal to look at the real facts about its GDP and economy. The “tourism” industry is not about how many farang pass through an airport, it’s about how much money is spent in the wider community and where it’s spent.

They may choose to look strictly at the formal sector and survey the 5 star hotels to make their assumption of a 15-19% GDP number, but in reality there is a massive informal tourist economy that effects tens of millions of Thai people and businesses.

This is not the t-shirt seller, this is flow on economy from the million or more bar ladies.

They all purchase food from the street venders, get their clothes laundered, rent rooms, pay bills, and send the bulk of their income home to support an extended family, not to memtion all the “boyfriends” remitences from overseas. In the great fight to save face the government has refused to acknowledge their existence and include them in any type of covid financial aid, and that doesn’t just effect the lady but her whole extended family.

The ripple effect from this is being felt far and wide. One room is now occupied by 4 ladies and 3 rooms are vacant. The payments on motorbike loans are not paid. Mama-noodles are the economic choice and the BBQ cart is struggling, as is the chicken farmer, and the chicken feed producers. The real estate financial problems are coming as these same ladies are no longer able to service their bank debts for land and house building.

The Catch 22 is unfathomable, the reality is hard to face and it is a guaranteed loser at the next election regardless of the choice made, but delaying the choice is not going to work for long either.

The only thing that is certain is that the Phucket quaratine bubble will not work in its proposed form due to the characteristics of this virus. You either need to isolate each and every guest from the other guests for 14 days or you will have an outbreak. The minute you have an outbreak the staff will try to flee due to the superstition and fear that has been built up (needlessly) about the virus. Those fleeing staff will spread it as they go and the whole 6 month quarantine/lockdowns/restrictions will have been for naught, and then they will start again destroying what is left of the economy.

I do not envy the choices to come, but the true science needs to be used or thousands will die needlessly, my family may even be among those numbers.

Perhaps the “ministers” should get some plain clothes and go hang out at the bars in Pattaya (and other places), buy the ladies some drinks and ask questions, they will be only to happy to fill you in on what is really going on below the shiny surface that is the hi-so hotel bars of Bangkok. Heck, im happy to introduce you and get the conversation started if you like.

WB


NOTES:

In July 2016, it was reported that the Thai government intended to abolish the sex industry. Kobkarn Wattanavrangkul, the tourism minister, said… “Tourists don’t come to Thailand for sex. They come here for our beautiful culture” and that “We want Thailand to be about quality tourism. We want the sex industry gone”. Kobkarn was replaced as tourism and sports minister in November 2017

In 2015 Havocscope, a database providing information about the global black market, gave an approximate figure of about 250,000 for the number of prostitutes working in Thailand. In 2015, UNAIDS in estimated the total population of sex workers in Thailand to be 147,000. Another UN report, prepared by NGOs, estimates the number of prostitutes in Pattaya at around 30,000.


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63 Comments

63 Comments

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    Mike

    September 1, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    The Centers for Disease Control in America has come out with a new study stating the CV testing is flawed numbers much lower. Also wearing a mask doesnt do a thing but make people feel good. So the lockdowns, lost incomes, displaced families, children not being allowed to attend school was all for nothing.

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      John

      September 1, 2020 at 9:53 pm

      Masks do a lot: all negative. They spread fear, reduce free speech, force people away from each other and make us breathe our own poisonous CO2 waste. Covid is just another flu and the media should be banned from panicking people about it everyday counting cases and intimidating the government. I hate the media liars!

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        Strider

        September 2, 2020 at 8:33 am

        Obviously a trump supporter/cult member.

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          rinky stingpiece

          September 3, 2020 at 1:33 pm

          Ahh the irony of a anti-Trump cult supporter criticising a pro-Trump cult supporter… lol

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          TheMike

          September 13, 2020 at 11:11 am

          Ah obviously a member of the left wing church

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        Josh

        September 13, 2020 at 12:29 am

        Poisonous CO2 waste. lol. Nutsack.

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      Lee

      September 2, 2020 at 7:17 am

      The CDC is forced to come out with lies. They are strong armed by the Trump administration as Donald Trump will do everything he can to be reelected. In May, CDC release guidelines on how States should reopen. Trump administration downplayed and actually ignored the CDC recommendations leading us to 6 million infections today. A month ago, CDC issued recommendations for school reopening, Trump forced CDC to scale back big time and now we have thousands of students infected the first 2 weeks of school

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        Genevieve Hawkins

        September 5, 2020 at 11:48 am

        Many schools are not in session in America. My daughter is in exclusive online school indefinitely in Las Vegas (Thankfully the school is very willing to work with me on going to Thailand with her in part because of this). The colleges that have reopened are forcing every student to test for Covid-19 in some cases weekly, and if they test positive they are put in 14 days of quarantine isolation Covid prison. Out of 5000 positive Covid tests so far on university students, there has not been a single hospitalization, much less a death…

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        staffan anderstig

        September 13, 2020 at 3:47 pm

        Then Sweden is also a strong armed to Trump,schools are open in Sweden,only a few per day is dying in covid,and by the way you dont think that students get infected a normal year?a cold a influenza,but no panic,young people can manage it!

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        David

        September 15, 2020 at 3:52 am

        You mean that same CDC and WHO at the beginning of this farce said nobody need wear a mask and no travel restrictions necessary? That CDC? Or are we talking about some alternate reality CDC?

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      Ron

      September 2, 2020 at 7:36 am

      Hey Moron, show me the study from the CDC. Become part of the solution, not part of the problem.

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        Joe Kicker

        September 2, 2020 at 8:57 am

        It’s 2020, you are on the internet, you have a question, and you can’t find an answer to your question.
        But someone else is a moron.
        Try this, see if it helps.
        https://ggle.io/3O0p

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        William Binn

        September 2, 2020 at 10:00 pm

        Ron, I think this is the link to the CDC information that was referred to by Mike: It shows that only 6% of all deaths are caused by Covid alone. The other 94% of deaths are attributable to co-morbidities, in this case 2.6 of them on average.

        So that brings the reported deaths from Covid down from 860,000 odd to only 51,600 worldwide.

        https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI

        I am not here to argue the semantics of the testing/infection rate/deaths with you, I am just giving you the link that I think Mike was refereeing too. But I must say that it was very eye opening, and needs a few more months to run to become clearer for the year-on-year results.

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          Raphael Hythlodaeus

          September 13, 2020 at 8:40 pm

          It’s a good thing you did not post the CDC report on Facebook like I did, only to receive a message from the Facebook “independent fact-checkers” (whoever they are) saying it was false information and they added a comment to that effect on my Facebook page. Seems you cannot post an opinion these days without Big Brother getting involved.

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          Issan John

          September 17, 2020 at 9:39 am

          “…..this is flow on economy from the million or more bar ladies.

          They all purchase food from the street venders, get their clothes laundered, rent rooms, pay bills, and send the bulk of their income home to support an extended family, not to memtion all the “boyfriends” remitences from overseas.”

          I’m far from sure this is remotely true any more, even if it was back in thec80’s and 90’s, which is at best questionable.

          Even in it’s heyday I doubt there were a “million or more bar ladies” catering to farangs in Pattaya, Phuket or Patpong, and while those there were supported the local economy of “street vendors, rent rooms, etc” very few “sent the bulk of their income to support an extended family”.

          A very, very few of those working in the farang orientated red light districts will actually effectively support their “extended family”, usually in Issan, or be able to support them.

          The vast majority of “extended families” in Issan supported by their adult children working elsewhere are supported by those adult children working in factories on industrial estates, not in the farang red light areas.

          While the author may well be right based on what he’s learnt from “hanging out in the bars in Pattaya (and other places), buying the ladies some drinks and asking questions”, he’d have learnt a very different story if he’d dug a little deeper and looked elsewhere in Thailand.

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      Josh

      September 13, 2020 at 12:46 am

      It’s hilarious how people only believe the CDC when it agrees with their viewpoint.

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    Rein

    September 1, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    How can covid-19 spread in Thailand? Something that is to my believe not, or nearly not possible! Why? Well imagine I as a Dutch man need to have a negative test 72 hours before departure. ( Negative, means I have no Covid-19) Apon arrival I need to be quarantined for 14 days. Also on arrival my test in Thailand for covid-19 was negative. so still after 14 days I have no Covid-19 right? Otherwise the 5900 baht for each test was wasted. Staying in quarantine in the hotel for 14 days there is no way I can infect anyone with Covid-19 as I was tested already 2 times negative. After these 14 days I will again be tested for Covid-19. Again negative. So WTF are they talking about in Thailand? Scared for what? It is time they wake up. 15.000 deaths a year in traffic, that is nearly 2 each hour. Don’t fool us Thailand. You really need to open borders before it’s too late. People are starving to death now. Another thing is, we farang don’t really need Thailand to have a holiday. If borders will not be opened before October 1st Thailand have to be aware a civil war can happen. You can not treat foreigners as your prisoner. Quarantine is ok. But that’s it. And open more hotels. Not only the expensive ones that have links with the government!

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      Latecomer

      September 2, 2020 at 5:42 pm

      More than 20 000 road deaths a year, on average

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        Henry Ford

        September 13, 2020 at 8:58 am

        That’s only the ones who die at the scene. More like 30,000. Makes Covid look like a summer cold.

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      William Binn

      September 2, 2020 at 9:48 pm

      Rein, the new Phucket plan is not to isolate people in individual rooms for 14 days until they pass their second/third test, but to isolate whole hotels/resort and allow the guests to move around freely and mingle with the other guests and staff, so they can enjoy the resort experience, including the beach and all the hotel facilities.

      By way of example:
      You will arrive with a negative test from home, then test negative at the hotel on day one. You will mingle with the other guests and on day 13 take your 3rd test, also negative. However, unbeknownst to you and the doctors another guest has arrived (on your day 11) that is infected. He passes his test from home and the first test at the hotel because of the lag time from infection to testing positive (upto 7 days) he then starts to spread the virus to other guests after this. By the time he is tested the last time and found positive, you have already been infected and left the resort days ago.

      This is an extreme example, but it is exactly what happened in Australia with the security personnel becoming infected by the guests at the quarantine hotels, then taking it home to their families and friend. There is now a large spread infection in the state of Victoria and they are under stage 4 lockdowns again for 6 weeks.

      My point being that to open up the border will inevitably invite the virus to enter, and what happens then? Does the Govt lockdown the resort, the whole island, or the whole country if you have already moved on to another city (as is their suggestion to open up several cities to people who have passed the 14 days and testing).

      I do not disagree with your other comments, and those of so many others on this website, however as a guest in Thailand it is not for me to lecture the Govt what to do unless they ask. I only wanted to point out the shortcoming in their Phucket plans and the lack of incite they seem to portray on the informal sector that is so much more of the economy than they will ever care to admit.

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        Robert Elliott

        September 12, 2020 at 9:58 pm

        When did they rename Phuket Phucket?

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        Kai

        September 13, 2020 at 12:31 am

        I agree with your risk analysis of the “Covid hotel” arrangement. In my opinion, the only way to do it, would be to have ONE group of guests arrive at a given hotel together, and stay there together with the hotel staff. No new arrivals during the 14 days group Quarantine, no hotel staff going home (they sleep at the hotel, too). As few interactions as possible with outsiders (like for food delivery).

        Then, if on day 14, all tests are still negative, people are free to leave. If anybody’s test is positive on day 14, the whole group has just gotten a 14 day extension…

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        Raphael Hythlodaeus

        September 13, 2020 at 8:55 pm

        It does seem strange that what might seem blindingly obvious to many of us seems to be completely incomprehensible to the Thai authorities.

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      DK

      September 13, 2020 at 8:33 pm

      you are right on!

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    Wijnschenk

    September 1, 2020 at 4:05 pm

    Again it is all about money.
    The goverment and their helpers…..
    Just want to get richer.
    Absolutely not interested in the people living in this country.

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    Mark Franklin

    September 1, 2020 at 4:10 pm

    Keep the 14 quarantine but have more affordable hotels Covid checks at hotel offer Thai health insurance as mandatory at a reasonable cost start flights to Thailand this is so much better than Phuket’s plan to kick start tourism and you would get more 90 day tourists

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      Khaja Sarfaraj Mansur

      September 1, 2020 at 10:23 pm

      Malaysia fixed 150 RM(1100 Baht) per day hotel cost for 14 days quarantine

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    Perceville Smithers

    September 1, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    Finally an article that addresses another segment of the economy.

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    Jase

    September 1, 2020 at 8:34 pm

    A well written article that understands there are (at least) two sides to the story and the need to understand and address issues to those forgotten/ignored sections of Thai society.

    Of course, we will still get comments from knuckle draggers saying Thailand must open itself to tourists, just so they can get laid regardless of the risk to the wider population.

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      Latecomer

      September 2, 2020 at 5:45 pm

      what risks? you mean traffic, that kills in a day more than covid-19 did in total from January altogether?

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    Glenn

    September 1, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    The beginning premise of the writer, I question it;
    “Thailand faces a grim choice. It can have tourism with widespread Covid or it can stay closed up, but it can’t have tourism without Covid … there is no middle ground. All the data available from other countries shows this to be the case.”

    “All the data from other countries” is highly suspect. Why?
    Just this week the USSA CDC changed their numbers, drastically. Originally they stated that aprox 180,000 deaths were attributed to CV. With their update, THE CDC stated that only 6% were attributable to CV directly and only. The remaining 94% (of the 180,000) were old to very old people with avg 2.6 co-morbities.

    In other words, 94% of the deaths in ussa that originally called CV deaths, were NOT. Unfortunately people get old and die, get sick and die, get cancer, heart disease, etc etc, and die. But to say those were CV deaths is an outright LIE, and the CDC just came out and said so.

    Additionally, there was an article in the NYTimes that called up to 90% of positive CV test results false or inaccurate. 90%!!!!

    This is not a conspiracy channel news, this is from from the CDC and FDA.

    Suppose those ratios are applied to other countries stats?
    And what has not been discussed so much is whether these ‘positive test results’ were of asymptomatic people or whether they were severely ill and hospital bound. And, for Thailand, how many positively tested returnees are asymptomatic or severely ill? I would venture to say that most are the asymptomatic otherwise there would have been more news coverage.

    Suppose also – that CV is no more deadly, and is likely far less, than a case of influenza, yet Thai borders have been and are locked down and the T&T industry has been killed… for a flu?

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      Edy F.

      September 2, 2020 at 1:47 am

      On order of WHO and BIG PHARM, and IMF. 2030 agenda of New world order..
      I guess money is not lost for everybody..

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      William Binn

      September 2, 2020 at 10:19 pm

      Glenn, the link to your cited CDC report is below, I have read it and agree with all your points. I also agree the my brief statement “all the data from other countries….” is devoid of context, but that is because this was not a discussion on the CDC numbers, versus Worldometer, Vs WHO, Vs the data from 215 individual countries….etc. This was me pointing out that the Phucket plan has holes in it and that under its current form will lead to covid getting into the country, and the second part of the discussion is with regards to the informal economy that the govt refuses to acknowledge, that is really hurting the most (and as you point out starving). For further context, my original comment was posted on another article about the Bank of Thailand: (it was then published in full as an opinion piece).

      https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tourism/bank-of-thailand-issues-stark-warning-over-ongoing-ban-on-foreign-tourists

      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI

      If you would like to discuss the ins and out of covid infection and deaths I am open to the discussion, but I think you will find that we share more in common than opposition on that subject.

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      George

      September 13, 2020 at 5:44 am

      You are one dumb fuck.

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    Giacomo Poma

    September 1, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    I am married to a Thai woman, I own a nice condo in Bangkok (Yannawa), my wife owns a small condo in Klong San and a house in Petchabun. These places are now empty, I could easily quarantine there for as long as Thai wish. I have a nice friend ready to host me in Chiang Rai, her little four years old girl talk to me on telephone “JJ when do you come back”?. Although I am Italian, I dearly would love to go back to the country that I consider mine since ten years. But I do not want to be quarantined in a hotel in Phucket, probably infested with viruses, and which would be too expensive for me anyway.

    I want to go home, somebody helps me?

    Giacomo

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      CWJ

      September 2, 2020 at 3:31 am

      Giacomo Poma

      Thailand will never be your home. This is not the USA. You’re either a Thai native or a foreign guest. Don’t delude yourself otherwise.

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        james

        September 2, 2020 at 10:07 pm

        CWJ

        I agree as I hear this all the time, some farangs think they live in Thailand but in fact most of them are there on temporary visas.

        Even if the visa is a retirement visa it is still validated year by year with a trip to the immigration to report every three months.

        But of course, if you have a spare 500,000 for an Elite five-year visa, or 1,000,000 baht to spend on a 4 x 5-year visa then that is a longer visa but still temporary.

        I stayed in Thailand for a year last year (2018 to 2019) and seven months this year (2020) in Thailand but I still know I am a visitor from the UK with no rights whatsoever, I accept that and do not live under any illusions.

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          Jan van Daalen

          September 13, 2020 at 8:37 am

          James
          All Thai visa – included the ´Elite´-visa – still need you to contact immigration every 90 days. So even if you pay 1,000,000 baht – you legaly are not allowed to stay in the country for longer then 90 days, without possible negative consequenses.

          It´s all about money and with a big racist sauce over it.

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            The Thaiger & The Nation

            September 13, 2020 at 11:56 am

            You don’t have to pay for 90 day reporting and it can either be done online or takes 5 minutes at immigration.

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            Joseph McKee

            September 16, 2020 at 12:41 am

            My business visa was good for year. I had a Thai driver’s license (blue then green, cannot get pink as pink is for lifetime). Company handled all visa issues.

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      harry1

      September 2, 2020 at 12:18 pm

      unfortunately could had happen to anyone of us,l dont see this 14 days selective hotel quarantine will help in attracting tourists ? l havent the answer to these problems.but in your case and thousands of other who have families or spouse and having a residence should be allowed to self quarantine at home,the powers that be should use this as a trial run as a indicator for future planning for tourism. perhaps send a email to your local thai immigration office in thai for clarification oh your suggestion ?

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      Rein

      September 2, 2020 at 1:31 pm

      Sorry mate, but you own a condo in BKK, your wife owns a condo and a house in Petchabun. And you can’t afford to pay a quarantine hotel? lol. Another thing is if you are married you could enter Thailand already since the first of July. Simply go to your Thai embassy and apply for a “certificate to enter the kingdom of Thailand” No idea why you send this message anyway.

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      Ownership

      September 3, 2020 at 6:23 pm

      You don’t really “own” a condo or anything. It is your wife, or somebody of her family, or whomever Thai national. You do not own anything really, you just happen to visit Thailand from time to time, and sometimes you have a visa. Sometimes not. Now, for example

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        Joseph McKee

        September 16, 2020 at 12:43 am

        I own my condo. Wife owns the house. The difference is land. Condos don’t hold land title so they can be owned by foreigners. I also own 2 cars, etc. Everything but land.

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    Preesy Chepuce

    September 2, 2020 at 1:14 am

    So prostitution is about 2% of the Thai economy, and a big attraction to some foreign visitors. It’s also a surrogate for a welfare state. Women excluded from education by economics, and excluded from jobs by lack of education, and jobs with a stifling moralistic paternalistic atmosphere, it’s not much surprise that the relative fun of hanging around bars all day and trying to net drunken men to empty themselves into your wallet, is appealing. If they want to eradicate this subculture, it will cost money to fund access to education and childcare, a welfare state. You can’t eat morals.

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    EdwardV

    September 2, 2020 at 3:08 am

    There is an economic multiplier with every monetary transaction. Just because one class of tourist spends slightly more than another doesn’t mean they are worth more to the economy. Depends on how often that money turns over in the economy. Spend slightly less but if it turns over more often its more valuable. Pay attention to where the money is spent. Does part of it immediately leave the country? Does it turn over more than a few times? How much of it ends up in the hands of those most in need of it? Target those tourists. Make them feel wanted and make it easier for them to visit. The harder you make it to visit, the less tourist you will have, regardless of who you target.

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    peter theil

    September 2, 2020 at 10:23 am

    Vary well written and truthful article about how the economy works from the sex worker too the trickle effects from the street vendor back tot he province. It ouched on all pistons that are greased by the sex economy. And most admirable was the mention that none of these persons were elegible for aid from the goverement. I wonder and I am curious how the police are getting along with their monthly protection money they charge bars and entertaiement venues such as go go bars.

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    Ceasar

    September 2, 2020 at 2:47 pm

    What I love about these fuckin cunt pukes is they have denied me my freedom of speech on their site. they decide who and what post will or will not be allowed just like Twitter . You MF can go sit on a greenade and masturbate until it dis embowels you.

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    James Boyle

    September 2, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    From reading all the Thai papers on a daily basis, my conclusion is that Thai on Thai murders are killing more people each day than Covid would ever do.

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    Jilted John

    September 5, 2020 at 11:48 am

    “Tourists don’t come to Thailand for sex. They come here for our beautiful culture”

    You’re living in Noddyland…

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    Issan John

    September 12, 2020 at 11:21 am

    A well written article but for the terrible assumptions and wild assertions.

    “… to the superstition and fear that has been built up (needlessly) about the virus.”

    Sadly, the virus IS something to be frightened of. The fatality rate for those catching it is 32 per thousand world-wide (3.2%), and while as low as 17 per thousand in Thailand it’s as much as 80 per thousand or 8% in Holland.

    “Yes”, many dying who’ve caught it have other health issues, from obesity to high blood pressure, but the idea that they can therefore be deducted from the death toll from Covid-19 is absurd since they simply wouldn’t have died at that time – Covid-19 meant an early and untimely death for them just as it meant one for the otherwise healthy who died.

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      Rinky Stingpiece

      September 14, 2020 at 9:41 am

      There isn’t really enough data or enough proper analyses of the impact of this.
      All we can see is current data, much of which has lots of flaws in it (like lack of testing, especially in developing countries).

      The way it’s looking at the moment, is bigger impact on populations with larger countries with areas of dense population, and economic drivers that compel the larger numbers of poorer people to abandon guidelines that statistically seem to work in the developed world.

      So, the emerging trends are places like India, Bangladesh, and probably other subcontinent areas;
      Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and probably other latin-american area; and denser islands of Philippines, Indonesia, and adjacent areas; these places are amongst the leat able to measure or manage it, and it looks like doing immense economic damage there as it spreads.
      Heaven only knows how it’s propagating around densely-populated parts of Africa.

      Then of course, denser populated areas of Western Europe and North America, where it’s gone rampant for other reasons – public slackness and frustration. You can see how when the riots happened, a spike followed. When lockdowns happened, the disease was suppressed. It looks like a credible vaccine will be available by December, and then it’s probably the UK that will get control of the disease first, due to hosting a lead vaccine developer and major trials, and having amenable geography, infrastructure, and lack of resistance, that will make deployment easier.

      From all this, you can see multiple poles of susceptibility. High rates of spread amongst slack cultures; high death rates amongst fat and old populations.
      Very low death rates in very conscientious and deferential cultures is trend that may embolden authoritarian regimes with undeserved legitimacy. It’s really important that leading democracies get on top of this thing.

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    Tim Houston

    September 12, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    FFS you all Thailand experts, it’s PHUKET not phucket

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      rinky stingpiece

      September 15, 2020 at 1:19 am

      It’s ภูเก็ต, (“poo get”) surely?

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    james

    September 12, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    One million Thai prostitutes which planet are you living on?

    Phuket for example have very few bars and thus bar girls, I am talking of course before the virus situation up to earlier this year.

    Soi Bangla the main area for bar girls has drastically changed over the last ten years, many of the streets running off the soi have closed down and it now has about 10% of the bars it used to have, clubs where young ‘normal’ people go have taken the places of bars has have shops, restaurants and hotels.

    Most of the pople walking down Soi Bangla are couples or families and in recent years have been mostly Chinese tourists.

    Many other areas where there were bars have compleltly dissapeard and replaced by other businessess.

    It must be the same in many other parts of Thailand.

    Now Soi Bangla and Patong are like ghost towns, only a small percent of the bars have reopened and most are completely empty, many have closed forever.

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    Johnny Rambo

    September 13, 2020 at 1:22 am

    “Tourists don’t come to Thailand for sex. They come here for our beautiful culture”

    Haha, i had to laugh my *** off when i read this phrase. Just look at all those fat and ugly Western perverts in Pattaya. So they only go to Pattaya to adore Thai culture there ? LoL.

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      James

      September 14, 2020 at 4:18 am

      Johnny

      Pattaya is not the whole of Thailand.

      Most people don’t go there.

      Most of the visiting tourists are from China and come in large groups or couples.

      Leave the bar you must spend all of your time in and look around for a change.

      All the people I know in Thailand would not go near the low life prostitutes.

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        Rinky Stingpiece

        September 15, 2020 at 10:47 pm

        The Chinese I’ve talked to say they come to Thailand for shopping.

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        Joseph McKee

        September 16, 2020 at 12:52 am

        I lived in Thailand 11 years (Auytayha) and only went to Pattaya once. For lasagna.

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    Peter

    September 16, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    They could give people longer Tourist Visas (6+ months) and require a 14 day quarantine in a hotel, to make it worth it.
    There are many people who would gladly do that to spend the winter in Thailand.
    I know a bunch of Kitesurfers, digital nomads, retirees who would all jump at that opportunity.

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    BannedbyTV.com

    September 17, 2020 at 7:36 am

    There are two main reasons why CV19 has not dramatically spread in Thailand and Asia.
    1. Thailand, as with most Asian countries, uses masks because they know they work and is is a custom to wear one.
    2. Thailand, like most Asian countries, is full of superstitious people.

    Masks do not stop people getting CV19 or Flus, but what they do stop is the spread of CV19 and Flus by people who are not well. For many years most Asians iof they get a cold/flu will wear a mask – to stop spreading it through their coughs, sneezes, breath. That is a fact. I read a Uni study in US that showed masks didnt stop people getting the flu, but it slowed the transmission to others if infected people wear them – by 72%. It was not ‘official’ and only as part of a PHD Study. Nothing official has been done to prove it one way or the other (Americans wont wear masks).

    Asians are much more ‘superstitious’ and ‘cooperative’ than westerners and it was easy for their Govts to create fear and panic about C19. Enforced isolations and wearing of masks and enforced testings etc etc etc were very easy to implement in Asia.

    The downside is the people are now extremely fearful of allowing back into the country people who might have C19 – especially farangs. Catch 22 all over again.

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      Issan John

      September 17, 2020 at 1:38 pm

      “Enforced isolations and wearing of masks and enforced testings etc etc etc were very easy to implement in Asia.”

      Most Asian countries, including Thailand, never “enforced” masks or testing; they had no need to as people used their common sense and realised that “I’m protecting you and you’re protecting me” so wore masks and had no objection to having their temperature checked several times a day by 7-11, Lotus, Makro, etc.

      Farangs in their own countries (and even some here) took a different view, that “I don’t care about protecting you and if I get it that’s up to me”.

      The results, in terms of both cases and death rates, speak for themselves.

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Thailand’s MPs and Senators have kicked the constitutional can down the road at least a month after the parliament failed to agree on charter amendments. A panel will be sent up to examine 6 motions that were proposed and debated over the past 2 days. Meanwhile, up to 2,000 protesters were gathered outside the unfinished parliamentary buildings as an act of solidarity for the MPs supporting the changes to the current Thai Constitution.

The reality of the vote, and the setting up of an investigative committee, could push any votes on real reform well into 2021.

The 2 Houses of Parliament voted 431-255 to delay the vote. Opposition Pheu Thai and Move Forward MPs stormed out and missed the opportunity of nominating anyone to the new 45 member parliamentary committee to examine the motions, whilst the remaining members chose members for the committee. Move Forward Party’s, Pita Limjaroenrat, described the vote as “a way to stall for time” complaining that the decision “was moving the country towards a dead end”.

It was not known how the NCPO hand-picked Senators would vote on the bills. Many were thought to side with the idea of constitutional reform but the reality was that, in most scenarios, they’d be voting themselves out of a job if any reforms went ahead. Thailand’s entire upper house is a military-appointed rump of conservative former businesspeople and Army officials, mostly men.

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The protesters viewed the afternoon’s proceedings as a blunt stalling tactic to keep the current parliament, and its unelected senators, in power. The session ran until 8.30 last night. Rather than face the angry mob of anti-government protesters at the front of the building, most of the senators escaped on boat at the rear of the building, which backs onto Bangkok’s Chao Phraya River.

The demonstrators, with a consistent theme of reform over 3 months of rallies, are demanding changes to the current constitution because it was drafted by the NCPO who kicked out the elected government of Yingluck Shinawatra in 2014.

The protesters specifically point to the NCPO-appointed senate and the power they wield to elect the country’s prime minister, even though none of them were elected (nor was Prayut Chan-o-cha).

Protesters say they will now organise the next lot of rallies in October. Meanwhile, the Parliament is now is recess.

PROTESTSLive scenes from today’s protest rally to lend their voices, albeit from outside the The Parliament, to the debates inside about amendments to the Thai Constitution. The Thai parliament buildings are unfinished and, so it seems, are the student and anti-government protesters.

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Bangkok DJ dies in high speed crash on notorious ‘death road’

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A well known local DJ died early this morning in a high speed car crash on a Bangkok road bend nicknamed “Curve of 100 Deaths.” Police say his car’s speedometer was found stuck at 200 kilometres per hour.

Police suspect 33 year old Annop Poonsripattana was going around a curve when he lost control of the car due to the slippery road conditions from the rain. His black Toyato Altis was found smashed into an electricity pole around 2:30am today. The impact caused Annop to be flung to the back seat. Police say his skull was shattered and his neck broken.

A security guard at a nearby building says heard an explosion and the electricity cut out. The entire area went black, he says. The so called “Curve of 100 Deaths” is near Ratchada Criminal Court in Bangkok’s Chatuchak district. The guard says many fatal crashes happen on the road.

“This area is highly prone to road accidents. Just last week a mother and her small child were killed here.”

The Ratchada Road curve so dangerous that locals honk when driving through the curve to show respect and to ask for permission from the spirits of those who have died there for safe passage, according to Coconuts Bangkok. In the past, many people have left offerings like zebra statues in honour of those who died in car incidents while driving on the road.

Annop played music at many entertainment venues in Bangkok. He was also a contestant in the Take Me Out Thailand TV show in 2015. An autopsy is being done at the Police General Hospital. Electricians are working to fix the electricity pole and restore power.

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SOURCES: Nation Thailand | Coconuts Bangkok

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1 dead, 2 injured, as out-of-control construction truck ploughs into family car

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A man has died, and his parents have been injured, after a construction truck lost control and ploughed into their car, crushing the vehicle and killing the 27 year old driver instantly. The Pattaya News reports that the truck also hit 5 other vehicles in the incident, which occurred in the Minburi district of Bangkok.

The truck driver, named as 41 year old Piean Sricharoen, says he was having problems with the truck’s brake booster while travelling from the central province of Saraburi. While attempting to emergency park in the middle lane to check the booster, the truck began to lose its balance, crashing into surrounding vehicles. One witness confirms the account, saying the truck began to sway back and forth before crashing into the victim’s car, crushing the vehicle, and causing a 7 car pile-up.

Emergency workers arrived on the scene and rushed the dead man’s parents to a nearby hospital. The truck driver has been charged with reckless driving causing death and is in police custody.

SOURCE: The Pattaya News

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