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Thai woman tests positive for Covid in Chiang Mai, 72 people found to be in close contact

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A 29 year old female Thai returnee from Myanmar has tested positive for Covid in Chiang Mai, after visiting the hospital with flu-like symptoms. She was the only local case reported, out of 5 other positive tests, with officials saying she is believed to have contracted the virus in Myanmar. The positive test on November 27, came after she was out and about, with authorities saying 326 people are suspected of coming in contact with the woman. The woman reportedly visited a mall to eat Japanese shabu, watched a movie, visited a karaoke bar, and used public transportation before her positive diagnosis.

Of those suspected 326 people who came in contact with the woman, 105 were deemed at high risk of infection with 149 deemed at low risk. Officials said 72 people were in close contact with her. The mall operator says those who were found to be in contact with the woman will proceed to a 14 day quarantine period.

The woman reportedly came down with symptoms on November 23 and went to the Nakornping Hospital the next day to be checked out. Now, the Chiang Mai governor has ordered all affected venues to be disinfected, including the Central Festival Chiangmai mall, which closed at 4 pm for a “big cleaning” yesterday.

Officials from the Disease Control Department have provided the woman’s whereabouts at a briefing on Saturday as part of the contact-tracing exercise. Sopon Liamsirithavorn, director of the Communicable Diseases Division, has presented a timeline of her movements:

  • From October 24 to November 23, the woman was in Myanmar. On November 23, she developed a fever, watery diarrhea, and lost her sense of smell.
  • On November 24, she still had a fever and developed a cough and a headache. Around 5 am on that day, she travelled from Myanmar to the Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai by public van.
  • Around 11 am on November 24, she left Chiang Rai for Chiang Mai by bus.
  • At 2.51 pm the same day, the woman arrived at her condominium in a Grab car. That night, she used another Grab car to visit a karaoke bar in the Santitham area with two friends. They smoked a cigarette and shared it.
  • On November 25, she stayed overnight at a condominium with one of the friends who had returned from the entertainment venue around 2 am. Two other friends who lived in the room opposite came to the room to drink alcohol.
  • About noon on November 25, the woman left the condominium in another Grab car. She arrived at her condo building at around 1 pm.
  • Between 3.30 pm and 8.30 pm, she used another Grab car to visit a shopping mall and watched a movie there, had meals, and went shopping. She wore a face mask most of the time. She later used another Grab car to return to her condominium.
  • On November 26, the woman took a Grab car to a private hospital in Chiang Mai for a medical check-up around 3.30 pm after she lost her sense of smell, had watery diarrhea, and a body temperature of 36.9 celsius. She underwent a Covid-19 test.
  • Around 10pm, she was sent to Nakornping Hospital for another Covid-19 test. On November 27, the tests turned out positive.

A full announcement is set to be made by the Chiang Mai governor and Thai public health authorities when more information has been confirmed.

SOURCE: Bangkok Post | Reuters

 

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    Mike

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    Why didn’t she have a 2 week quarantine?
    Is Myanmar ecempt

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm

      AFAIK the land border crossing at Mae Sai is supposed to be strictly limited to local commercial vehicles only, and even that’s hardly consistent with the general border policy.

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      Wa

      Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 4:59 pm

      Do you think whore has brain?

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    Issan John

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:05 pm

    If you can still cross over the border at Mae Sai, as she evidently did after being in Myanmar for a month, it makes the whole 14 day ASQ, Fit to Fly, 72 hour pre-flight Covid check, etc system a complete farce – particularly as she doesn’t even live in the border area but 300 kms away in Chiang Mai, not that that should make any difference.

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      Patrick Kelly

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:42 pm

      That’s a great point. The lightbulb hopefully is turned on for the Thai people. Border control & lockdowns are not easy. Especially if they last for years.

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    william

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    test 10,000 people then tell me how many positives come back… Do some antibody testing… Otherwise these fear mongering reports fall short of “journalistic integrity” We need the full picture, not a headline about 1 person and who she contacted.

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:37 pm

      Why would ‘testing 10,000 people then telling you how many positives come back’ show “journalistic integrity”?

      It’s just reporting the known facts of the latest Covid case people here reading the BP or the Thaiger are likely to be interested in, nothing more, with no “fear mongering” I can see.

      Bizarre …..

      If you’re interested in how widespread Covid-19 is here, though, there’s no need to “test” anyone as all you need to do is:

      … see how many people test positive when admitted to hospital, where it’s mandatory (one).

      … see how many people test positive when renewing their work permit, when it’s also mandatory (also one).

      … see how many people test positive when symptomatic and going to hospital for a test (two, including this one).

      I may have missed one or two, literally, but IIRC that’s correct and as hospital testing and hospital accommodation / food / treatment’s free here for Thais and allegedly they’re “paranoid” about Covid-19 it’s likely to be a better indication of “the full picture” than testing “10,000 people”.

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        Patrick

        Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:30 pm

        People dont get tested. A elderly 80+ Thai went to a hospital in Bangkok because of severe flu like symptoms. Doctor said “their is no covid in your area”. Not tested. Jups.

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          Issan John

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 8:21 pm

          Was she admitted to hospital, in which case it would have been mandatory, or just seen as an out-patient?

          Did she have any symptoms of Covid-19, in which case she should have been tested, rather than “severe flu like symptoms” in which case there was no reason for her to be tested if seen by a doctor?

          Sorry, I’ve no idea what “Jups” means.

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      Roger Borger

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 3:40 pm

      Good one.

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    Rex

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    Just wondering what makes a person cross a border illegally from a covid hot spot, develop symptoms, and then proceed to go do as many social things as a person could possibly do. Wouldn’t you stay in bed?

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      Anderton Burke

      Monday, December 14, 2020 at 7:43 pm

      She supposedly crossed the border illegally, not at the regular crossing point.

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    Peter

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:24 pm

    The tests are meaningless due to the fact that the RT-PCR “test” has never been subject to a gold standard which means its accuracy is unknown. Furthermore any result can be obtained depending on the primer that is used and the number of cycles that are run. Not to mention the fact that the inventor of the RT-PCR “test”, a Noble prize winning scientist named Kary Mullis, is on video stating that the RT-PCR process cannot and should not be used to detect a viral infection.

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:54 pm

      Sorry to disillusion you, but actually he’s not on video saying that.

      The chap in the much hyped video is actually John Lauritsen, talking about Kary Mullis, and saying that they couldn’t be used to detect viral infections for HIV – he doesn’t mention their efficacy for detecting other viruses at all.

      It’d be rather difficult for Kary Mullis to be on video saying they couldn’t be used to detect Covid-19, as he died in August last year.

      Reuters factcheck is your friend …..

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 3:55 pm

      … and just to help you out, Peter, the original video of Kary Mullis that John Lauritsen (and others) refer to is on YouTube at iWOJKuSKw5c. He simply doesn’t say anything remotely like you claim, but I suppose if the claim’s repeated often enough some people will believe it if they want to.

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        Patrick

        Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:36 pm

        The PCR test is a variable test. It can give a positivelt back easily depending on how many cycles youre willing to go. That crucial test info is always missing from reports. Anyway, most are asymptomatic or mild which is weird for a virus the whole world goes mental for. Weird that noone seems to care when the flu is around. Then the vulnerable are just on their own. Its life. The more you look for it, the more youll find it. Statistics 101. First let it spread willingly (where was the WHO?), then go crazy and out of perspective with full on media doom bombardment. Mad 2020 indeed.

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      Jim

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:05 pm

      Take your tinfoil hat off boy. People like you spreading untruths cost lives

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    Peter

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    Sorry to disillusion YOU John but your ignorance is showing once again. I did not say that Kary Mullis was talking specifically about “Covid-19”. You are using a strawman argument. I know very well who Kary Mullis was and I know when he died. I have a video from some years ago when Kary Mullis was on a panel. An audience member asked him about using and misusing PCR to detect VIRUSES, not just HIV, and Mullis said that PCR was not designed for that and that it cannot and should not be used for detecting a virus. By the way, Kary Mullis also said, after many years of searching, that there was zero scientific evidence for an HIV virus, although to this day we are told that it exists and kills a large number of people each year. This is exactly the same lie being told about “Covid-19”.

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:27 pm

      Neither disillusioned nor ignorant, Peter, at least on this, nor a strawman argument.

      The video you refer to is on YouTube, iWOJKuSKw5c, so easily available, and he simply doesn’t say what you claim apart from in the heavily edited versions posted on facebook and YouTube.

      I’d assumed you’d been conned – my mistake, as you’re evidently one of those actively participating in the con and in perpetuating this rubbish.

      Anyone who wants to can watch the video, which somehow you and those like you are always reluctant to reference, rather than listen to your absurd claims based on what you’d like him to have said.

      The only lie being told here is by you – apart from the equally absurd lie about HIV not existing.

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        Peter

        Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:51 pm

        So why does he say in that video that PCR “doesn’t tell you that you are sick” or that what it does detect can hurt you? Earlier he says that you can use PCR to find “almost anything in anybody”, which makes it a useless “test”. As he says, the PCR is just a process to make a whole lot of something out of something. If you actually know how PCR works you don’t even need Kary Mullis to tell you that it can’t detect a viral infection – it is obvious. Not to mention the fact, as I previously stated, that the RT-PCR “test” has never been compared to any gold standard. Which means that even if it does detect a virus it could have a 10 percent false positive rate or a 90 percent false positive rate. No one knows. So how can it be used to say that anyone actually has the virus? It can’t!!

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          Issan John

          Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm

          “So why does he say in that video that PCR “doesn’t tell you that you are sick” or that what it does detect can hurt you?”

          Because it “DOESN’T tell you that you are sick”etc !!!

          You can be asymptomatic with Covid, so you’re not “sick”, just as you can have HIV without being “sick” with AIDS.

          This is pretty simple stuff for a supposed “virologist”.

          “Earlier he says that you can use PCR to find “almost anything in anybody”, which makes it a useless “test”

          NO HE DOESN’T – THAT’S TOTALLY UNTRUE! He never says that “makes it a useless test”. That’s YOUR conclusion, NOT HIS.

          “… which means that even if it does detect a virus it could have a 10 percent false positive rate or a 90 percent false positive rate”

          Again, that’s YOUR conclusion, which is totally unsupported and contradicted by the vast majority of experts in the field who put the “false” figure at 3 – 7%, not the “10 or 90%” you’ve just plucked out of thin air.

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            Peter

            Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:52 pm

            Oh my John, but you are dense. If you don’t have symptoms you are not sick. You don’t need credentials to know that. And there is no contradiction about what I said about a false positive rate. You completely misrepresented my point either on purpose or through ignorance. My point was that without comparing the PCR “test” to a gold standard there is no way to know how accurate the “test” is – if at all. Its not hard to do and if we were really experiencing the “greatest threat to world health in 100 years”, as we are constantly being told, then it should be a no brainer. Take samples from 1,000 people with “Covid” symptoms and isolate the virus in as many as possible. Then test those people with PCR and analyze the results and you will know exactly how accurate the PCR “test” is. Its basic science and should have been done right away but has never been done. Why is that John? Could it be that there is no “virus” to isolate? Just asking.

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      Issan John

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:54 pm

      … and FWIW having just checked it as it surprised me as it contradicted what I thought I knew, Kary Mullis did NOT say “after many years of searching, that there was zero scientific evidence for an HIV virus”.

      THAT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.

      What he ACTUALLY said, which is what made him controversial apart from the climate denial and conspiracy theory bit, was that HIV did not lead to AIDS and that the two were unconnected.

      VERY DIFFERENT.

      He never found any evidence of a direct link between the two, which is fair enough, but on the other hand he could never explain why as HIV was treated successfully so there was an exact and directly parallel drop in the number of those with HIV who went on to develop AIDS.

      Tricky one, that …..

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    Lordie Lordie

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    Oh God, please save me from the youtube geniuses who have their medical degrees from youtube…

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    William Moeller

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    I heard that she crossed over illegally and avoided customs. IE; She crossed the river. Didn’t self quarantine. She should go to jail.

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    AI

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    I can’t be bothered posting things up here because the con-vid has already been well exposed and real proof from some of the posters here. They know and regular posters here know that. BUT, the same culprit(s) keeps on going round and round and round and round for an insane amount of times to whatever end. They are either posted here as a dis/misinfo time wasting perp or just plain dumb.

    I will finish this off with regards to the PCR tests and the government of Portugal.
    Simply search engine (I would recommend not using go-ogle) here :-
    “Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests As Unreliable & Unlawful To Quarantine People”

    And all of this BS going down globally which only affects a mere 0.05% of folks! Enjoy!

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      The Thaiger

      Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:45 pm

      Don’t worry, we’ll put you out of your misery.

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    ray

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:05 pm

    Curious to hear what is the punishment for traveling cross-border with C-19 symptoms without isolating herself after arrival?

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    Ian

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    Why is it always returnees that have covid lol what a joke covid is among Thailand the government just doesn’t want to admit it or it will bring more fear

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    Frank Leboeuf

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    [Around 11 am on November 24, she left Chiang Rai for Chiang Mai by bus.

    At 2.51 pm the same day, the woman arrived at her condominium in a Grab car. That night, she used another Grab car to visit a karaoke bar in the Santitham area with two friends. They smoked a cigarette and shared it.]

    Illegal crossing?
    If not, why is there no quarantine involved?

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    Issan John

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Just thought I’d clarify the supposed “Portugese Court Rules that PCR Tests as Unreliable & Unlawful to Quarantine People”.

    The ACTUAL portugese Court ruling, rather than the edited versions in the wacko press, is that any quarantine imposed without a doctor’s authority as a result of ANY test is illegal – not just PCR tests but ANY test:

    “… The prescription and diagnosis are medical acts, under the exclusive responsibility of a doctor, enrolled in the Order of Doctors (Regulation No. 698/2019, of 5.9).
    Thus, the prescription of auxiliary diagnostic methods (as is the case of tests for the detection of viral infection), as well as the diagnosis of the existence of a disease, in relation to each and every person, is a matter that cannot be performed by law , Resolution, Decree, Regulation or any other normative way , as these are acts that our legal system reserves to the exclusive competence of a doctor,…

    B.In the case that concerns us now, there is no indication or proof that such diagnosis was actually carried out by a professional qualified under the Law and who had acted in accordance with good medical practices. In fact, what follows from the facts taken for granted, is that none of the applicants was even seen by a doctor, which is frankly inexplicable, given the alleged seriousness of the infection. …

    III . Any diagnosis or any act of health surveillance (as is the case of determining the existence of viral infection and high risk of exposure, which are included in these concepts)carried out without prior medical observation of patients and without the intervention of a physician enrolled in the OM (who proceeded to assess their signs and symptoms, as well as the tests they deemed appropriate to their condition), violates Regulation No. 698/2019, of 5.9 , as well as the provisions of article 97 of the Statute of the Ordem dos Médicos, being liable to configure the crime of usurpation of functions, p. and p. by article 358 al.b), of C.Penal.”

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    Sam D

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    COVID tests cost lot of money and are not covered by insurance. Do the math… that’s why hospitals don’t do tests.

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      Issan John

      Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:37 am

      Hospitals in Thailand do “do tests”, but obviously it depends on the circumstances, just as it does elsewhere.

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    Patrick Kelly

    Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    I guess those travel bubbles are now out of the question….if you don’t test sufficiently, you never know how much Covid is in the populace. Cheap tests are questionable & Thailand can’t afford state of the art. The current path is unsustainable.

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    Leo Z

    Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:23 am

    Holy crap. It seems the only thing she didn’t do is to have a party for 100 people. And after having all the classic symptoms of COVID for 4 days. There should be jail time here, plus an investigation of higher ups (crossing a border, no quarantine, no test). It’s incidents like this that determine whether Thailand is maybe a banana republic.

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    Ben

    Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27 am

    This story does not address the specific details of her crossing the border into Thailand. It leaves those questions unanswered so we’re free to fill in the details here to match what we want the outcome to be. Looks like there’s a breach of security the Thai authorities need to plug and they’re probably not going to talk much about it unless they have to because it may be embarrassing.

    This doesn’t make Thailand’s efforts to keep COVID-19 out of their country null and void. It doesn’t make COVID-19 less deadly. It doesn’t make those that think COVID-19 is the same as the flu, right. Just look at the list of 2020 deaths in Wikipedia due to COVID-19 and you’ll see many prominent people around the world have passed due to this virus.

    Thai’s don’t pay much attention to people like William and Peter. They just look at America and Europe where many like William and Peter can’t do some simple things like wear masks, wash their hands and social distance and they see the results. Lots of virus spread, sick and dead people, small businesses going broke and they say no thank you.

    Do you think what America and Europe is going through is normal? If COVID-19 is the same as the flu do we do this every year when the flu arrives? As tools such as tests and vaccines arrive you try and discredit them. So you deny there is a problem, criticize those that try to protect themselves and then discredit potential tools that can help battle this scourge. What’s wrong with you?

    So you’re going to do what you want to do and you don’t want anybody telling you what to do. So be it. And so will those that think differently than you. And they’re going to give you the finger everytime you tell them what to do.

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      Issan John

      Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:54 am

      Well said, Ben. Spot on.

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    Smith C

    Monday, November 30, 2020 at 7:24 am

    Let’s skip arguing between one rider and another the questions are : -How she entered a Mall if she had temperature?
    I see they way they check around my area , rather not comment… if someone is there or not it is not different so not sure why they wasting manpower….but I guess it is normal here …
    – Any legal action will be taken against her once she will be fit? Mmm I Guess not .
    The country does not suffer enough with his border “closed” with out having people do not following rules ???

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    Issan John

    Monday, November 30, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    According to the latest report in the Thaiger, definitely an illegal border crosser along with her two friends who had also been working in the same bar in Myanmar and returned at the same time, who have also tested positive for Covid-19, but who came from Chiang Rai and had self-quarantined rather than partying.

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    John

    Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    If its the same lady she went to the Kingsway male host bar in Chang Phueak, Chiangmai. Its subsequently been closed and disinfected.

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