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UPDATE: Covid-19 detected on gym equipment, Koh Samui covid case

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The Department of Disease Control has provided some updates relating to the Koh Samui-based 57 year old French woman who tested positive on Thursday for a case of Covid-19, the first case on the Gulf island in 7 months. Quite swiftly authorities have been able to come up with a possible reason for the case after claiming they detected the coronavirus on gym equipment at the hotel where the woman, her husband and teenage son, were conducting their 14 day ASQ.

The woman, her husband and male teenager, had recently returned from France. Art this stage the government has not responded to questions to the type of visa they are travelling on and how they were able to enter Thailand under the current regime of restrictions and border closures. They all spent 2 weeks in an Alternative State Quarantine hotel in Samut Prakan, south east of Bangkok. She tested negative twice whilst in quarantine. 5 days after being released she tested positive.

Dr. Opas Karnkawinpong, Acting Director-General of the Thai Disease Control Department, says that health officials, tracking down the possible sources of the coronavirus, found traces of Covid-19 on gym equipment used by the woman at the ASQ hotel in Samut Prakan, leading officials to believe the case was not spread on Koh Samui.

Health officials have also conducted Covid-19 tests on 67 employees and other people who were quarantining at the hotel and all were cleared of infection. The Department of Disease Control says, because of this incident, they are planning further restrictions and measures for ASQ hotels.

The woman’s husband, son and a close family friend, who collected the family at the Koh Samui Airport and drove them home in her car, have all tested negative for the virus. All remain under observation in quarantine at this stage. 10 others, including flight staff, on the Bangkok Airways flight that took them from Bangkok to Koh Samui, have also all tested negative for the virus but have been quarantined as a precaution.

Yesterday there were 4 new Covid-19 cases reported in Thailand, including 3 cases identified whilst in state quarantine and a domestic infection (the 57 year old woman), according to the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration.

Of the 3 returnees, 1 patient, aged 38, had arrived from Austria and 2, aged 26 and 38, had returned from Hong Kong. They were all female.

SOURCES: The Pattaya News | Nation Thailand

 

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    Al

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    let’s see where this one goes! In ASQ for 2 weeks tests negative and then 5 days out she is then deemed ‘positive?’ But, but, but……55

    Along with the good Thai people who were found ‘positive’ at entry into Japan. (which somehow disappeared into the ether!). And what about the other case of a Burmese woman who also tested ‘positive’ after going back? But, but, but…you can’t make this kind of thing up except for on maybe a Monty Python sketch…

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      Issan John

      Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 5:26 pm

      The only people here making things up are you and the very few like you.

      It’s hardly complicated – she caught Covid from a Covid-contaminated piece of gym equipment, contaminated by someone else in quarantine at the ASQ hotel. Nobody in quarantine should have been using the equipment and if the rules allowed it, the rules need changing – as they apparently are being, and as they were in New Zealand and China after similar events.

      “What about” the other cases?

      They tested positive on arrival, having either tested negative here or having not been tested. Given a 3 to 7% failure rate with the tests, possibly worse, and that some people are completely asymptomatic, obviously that’s inevitable.

      Those are the best tests available, and regular and repeated mass testing is as impossible an option here as it is everywhere else in the world …

      … at least in this world, although possibly not in yours.

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    Jason

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    I guess this means Thailand will have to lockdown forever. If you follow the methodology of the Thai Government, there seems no other alternative. Or was this a story to prove the worth of ASQ Hotels?? My greatest concern here is for the Thai people who are languishing in poverty because of this.

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      Issan John

      Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 5:13 pm

      “Or was this a story to prove the worth of ASQ Hotels??”

      Actually, and rather obviously, it proves THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE – that the ASQ Hotels were NOT doing their job and that the quarantine conditions were NOT strict enough.

      Hardly surprising, as there are direct comparisons to the cases in the ASQ hotels in New Zealand where those in quarantine caught Covid from others in quarantine (a rubbish bin lid, and a lift button).

      She was meant to be in quarantine and should never have been using gym equipment or out of her room.

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      Issan John

      Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 5:28 pm

      “I guess this means Thailand will have to lockdown forever. If you follow the methodology of the Thai Government, there seems no other alternative.”

      … and what “alternative” would you suggest?

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        Chris

        Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:22 am

        Herd immunity

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      Issan John

      Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 5:33 pm

      “My greatest concern here is for the Thai people who are languishing in poverty because of this.”

      As it is for many others … so what “alternative” do you suggest?

      Open the borders, so Thailand can go down the same route as the West but without the billions required to support the millions more who would be “languishing in poverty” as a result?

      Please, you’re quick to criticise so WHAT’S YOUR ALTERNATIVE?

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        Mike Frenchie

        Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 5:54 pm

        Quarantine is useless, you cannot isolate a country and million are now starving/bankrupt in Thailand. Only herd immunity coupled with a vaccine (best scenario would be 50-70% effectiveness) will fix the situation. All other options are fantasies… this is how the human kind has answered to virus since ever.

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          Issan John

          Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:28 am

          If mankind had only ever done and been able to do what it’s done before, we’d still be back in the stone age.

          While not perfect, quarantine and testing works – the evidence for and against is clear, and all you have to do to see it is look around you.

          Countries like Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia did the right thing and life is normal; the West didn’t and it’s a disaster.

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            Don R

            Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:41 pm

            The idea that East Asia’s response was successful is ridiculous. Utterly improbable. In most of these countries, restaurant workers don’t even wash their hands.

            The true source of their success won’t come as a surprise to rational scientifically literate people. It’s the IMMUNE SYSTEM, the most valuable weapon we have in this fight, the weapon that has already cleared the virus from hundreds of millions of bodies, most with only mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. Unfortunately, almost every govt in the world wants us to throw this weapon down and depend on flimsy masks instead. Yet, studies suggest the answer lies within:

            “…many people in East Asia seem to have antibodies that protect them from the novel coronavirus. Kodama attributed this to the many previous flu viruses and coronaviruses that originated in southern China and caused people in the region to catch colds and related illnesses.

            ‘They have white blood cells that can fight off related viruses such as SARS-CoV-2,’ Kodama says, adding that this does not make them fully immune but enables their bodies to cope with a certain amount of a similar type of virus.”

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      John

      Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 8:10 pm

      Thailand has no lockdown, it’s a paradise on earth. Kids go to schools and everything is open. Less foreign sex tourist means more domestic tourist. Spent weekend in Pattaya, didn’t look like someone needs Covid here, so many Bangkok tourist that nobody cared about the few covid drunks from other countries! Whoever wants Thailand to become like any Western Country which are all under proper lockdowns has lost his mind!

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    Mike Frenchie

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    She arrived on Sept. 30 and left the quarantine on October 14. Covid can only survive on metal and plastic for 3-7 days dixit:

    So Covid would have dead by the time they went to the gym… and this would imply that the gym machines are never cleaned!

    This does not add up… this article gives a real idea of what has really happened:

    • The Thaiger & The Nation

      The Thaiger & The Nation

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:39 am

      Please quote from articles, but without links, as per our guidelines.

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      Issan John

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 5:23 pm

      “… and this would imply that the gym machines are never cleaned!”

      Well spotted, Sherlock!

      Equally it would beg other questions about the ASQ system, such as why was she allowed to use the gym at all? Why was she out of her room? What else did she touch – door handles, doors, walls, lift buttons, stair rails, etc? How often do ASQ staff in the hotel get tested?

      etc, etc, etc …..

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    galaxy

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 7:05 pm

    Why it does not come from somebody else? And she simply caught it there!

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    Patrick Kelly

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    The cautious nature of the Thai government will not allow tourism for several years at this rate. The country is already a cauldron that’s ready to burst . Not sure how long this attitude can be sustained.

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      Issan John

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:34 am

      …. and opening the borders and then inevitably having the same problems as the West without the finances to support those “furloughed” and sick will somehow stop the cauldron from bursting???

      How can making the situation infinitely worse be a solution?

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    preesy chepuce

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    False positives in testing are not unheard of; as are false negatives. People think tests are 100% perfect, when they really aren’t, they’re just better than nothing. There’s also the matter of incubation, and mistaken diagnosis, which is certainly possible in any country.

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    Daniel

    Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    In quarantine and you have access to gym ??

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    42nd Battalion

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 12:11 am

    The gym equipment is covid positive. ?. Last week it was goats and papayas testing positive. Maybe they should all be locked down. No more meat, fruit or exercise until all inanimate objects come back negative. When we are starving and penniless at least we can say that we did not catch a virus that is so deadly that most people who get it will never even know they had it. It is reminiscent of a monty python sketch – and imagine if you thought monty python sketches were an accurate representation of real life.

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      Issan John

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 8:46 am

      Unbelievable.

      Do you genuinely not understand that the virus can not only be transmitted in the air, but that some 20% is from surface transmission?

      … and ‘yes’, for “most people” it’s asymptomatic so they’re ‘only’ carriers.

      … but what about the rest? … and the medical and care staff needed to look after them?

      I can understand someone who does their sums and concludes that it’s better to do one thing than the other, and respect their conclusions even if I don’t agree with them, but this idea that we can just ignore the problem and everything will be fine when unchecked transmission is exponential is beyond moronic, and that’s being generous.

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    EdwardV

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 12:34 am

    So they think she got it from the gym equipment, but that doesn’t explain how it got on the equipment.

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      Issan John

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:47 am

      Fair point, but unfortunately no system is perfect given the limitations of the tests.

      If you accept that there’s a 3% chance of false readings, then even 14 days quarantine and tests on day 1, 7 and 14 won’t reduce the risk to zero, but it will reduce it by a factor of 1,000 so some will still get through the system however strict the quarantine is.

      That seems to be what happened here.

      All that can be done is to minimise the risk as far as is practical, as the only alternatives to that are no restrictions at all, which would be economic suicide even if you accepted the death toll, or a total border lockdown.

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        EdwardV

        Monday, October 26, 2020 at 11:28 am

        So what you think is she just got though the system undetected? Not sure that’s what you are say but if so ok I can buy that. Sure makes more sense than she got it from an exercise machine and they found it out days later. As to the last comment, not sure I completely agree. Personally I think what they are doing now is economic suicide. Also but sure. That Thailand seems to be opening up even if incredibly slowly and trying to figure out a way to speed that up. It might lead one to believe Thailand thinks so too. There are examples of countries out there who have opened and kept the numbers under control. Lots more that have not, but you learn from both. Agree to disagree.

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          Issan John

          Monday, October 26, 2020 at 4:38 pm

          No, what I’m suggesting is that while it’s possible she got through three tests undetected it’s the least likely option.

          What I’d suggest is more likely is that as those in the ASQ start and finish at different times so someone else who had just arrived and had a false negative on their first test, or who was still incubating the virus, had used and contaminated the gym equipment before she used it.

          If she caught it at the end of her quarantine and her final test on 14 October, then that still leaves a few days before someone who infected the equipment may test positive.

          That’s exactly what happened in the “rubbish bin lid” case in New Zealand.

          Equally likely is the possibility that one of the ASQ hotel staff was either an asymptomatic carrier who’d caught the virus from someone in quarantine, or they’d transferred the virus to the piece of gym equipment from someone else quarantining.

          That’s exactly what happened in the “lift button” case in New Zealand.

          Both unlikely in isolation, but given the numbers going through quarantine (certainly in the thousands) not all that unlikely and, given the all too evident relaxed way that the quarantine rules are applied, with those in quarantine allowed to use gym equipment and relax in the garden, inevitable.

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            EdwardV

            Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:45 pm

            Ok I see what you are saying . However wouldn’t that person be easy to find? If it was another person in quarantine, they would have already found them. As for an employee they have all been tested by now, again would have been found. Yet no such news. That doesn’t even take into account the fact by the time they got around to testing the equipment the virus should have already either been cleaned or died. Yet they found it. Just doesn’t seem right.

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    Perceville Smithers

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 5:22 am

    That’s why I’ve started using resistance bands.

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    Ben

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 7:16 am

    So far I’ve read Thailand will “lockdown forever” and “have no tourism for several years” based on Thailand government policies. Uninformed opinions and not a basis for government policy. Life is carrying on within the country and people are out and about doing their daily activities without much worry. Opening up would surely bring on more health and economic problems than they have now and would be a stupid move.

    Countries that have opened up are no better off economically than Thailand. Lots of unemployed and lots of business failures just like Thailand. They’re going to follow the policies of countries that have largely contained the virus and are also not allowing general tourists for now. They’re going to follow what the majority the Thai people want.

    As we get more tools such as treatments, vaccines and better testing the country will open up and it won’t be forever and several years. It’ll be months.

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    SG666

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:45 am

    There is a rumour in the samui community that this woman is actually a Thai national who holds a French passport as well. If so why this is not mentioned by the relevant authorities ?

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      Pierre

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 3:51 pm

      Isn’t that obvious SG666?

      If it’s comes out that a Thai was infected with covid-19 then Thailand would loose face to the whole world since they have tried to blame all other nationalities or Thai’s coming from overseas to be the only ones to be infected and “import” covid-19 to Thailand 🙂

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        Issan John

        Monday, October 26, 2020 at 5:10 pm

        God Almighty …..

        She DID come “from overseas”!

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          Pierre

          Monday, October 26, 2020 at 6:30 pm

          “She DID come “from overseas” SG666 because Issan John say so. End of discussion!

          Jesus I’m so impressed that you have access to all information about everything in Thailand!

          Do you believe that the government in Thailand (or you for that matter) would ever admit if covid-19 is among the Thai population? All I’ve seen is every single covid-19 case in Thailand is imported. No other country (with a transparent covid-19 strategy and free speech in the press) with a population of around 70 mill. have these few cases. Seems easier to tell Thai’s that the disease are only coming from outside ?

          But of course if you ain’t testing broadly you won’t find the asymptomatic cases and things look great in statistics.

          If things aren’t fitting into your picture of a flawless Thailand everybody else are wrong.

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            Issan John

            Monday, October 26, 2020 at 9:01 pm

            “She DID come “from overseas” SG666 because Issan John say so. End of discussion!”

            Please don’t let me put you off discussing it if you want to, but since her itinerary has been published down to the flight number, arrival date and details, dates into and out of ASQ, and the flight number and dates and details of her onward flight to Samui, I’m unclear what else you’d like to discuss?

            Are you suggesting that’s all fabricated and she was here all the time?

            Interesting idea …..

            “Do you believe that the government in Thailand (or you for that matter) would ever admit if covid-19 is among the Thai population?”

            Well … yes, since they’ve done so regularly. On 31 May, for example, The Thaiger and The Nation reported that the spokesperson for the CCSA had “told this morning’s press briefing that … the total number of Covid-19 cases rose to 3,081 since the outbreak began: 2,444 domestic cases and 637 returnees from abroad”.

            Maybe The Thaiger and The Nation made it up, but that was what they reported.

            “All I’ve seen is every single covid-19 case in Thailand is imported”

            Well, I’m sorry, but I’m hardly responsible for what you’ve overlooked.

            “No other country (with a transparent covid-19 strategy and free speech in the press) with a population of around 70 mill. have these few cases.”

            Actually they do. Vietnam with a population of 95 million has 1,169 cases and 35 deaths and Cambodia with a population of 16 million has 287 cases and no deaths; in terms of deaths per 100k of population, Thailand’s on 0.08 while Sri Lanka’s done even better on 0.07 and Taiwan’s winning on 0.03.

            FWIW, New Zealand is on 0.5, Japan 1, Australia 3, France is on 51, the UK’s on 67, the US 68, Spain 74 and Belgium 94.

            Rather a sad reflection of the West, however you try to spun it.

            I’m not suggesting Thailand’s “flawless”, far from it, but while “everybody else” may not be wrong, unfortunately you clearly are.

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      Issan John

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 5:06 pm

      Because it’s “a rumour”?

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    Al

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    That whole Samui revelation never made or was quietly put in the background. Wonder why? Kinda blows away all the fake propaganda regarding all of this, and also LOTS of cash to milk from those mega rich foreigners. You’d think that would be BIG news that the ASQ is a scam, but as is the case with the 3 monkeys….

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      Issan John

      Monday, October 26, 2020 at 5:16 pm

      What on earth are you talking about?

      It is “BIG news” – it’s been in all the Thai news and media channels and in the press, and is still being covered.

      They’ve ALREADY said that the quarantine restrictions didn’t work and need to be reviewed.

      Just because it’s not news on your planet doesn’t mean it’s not here.

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    42nd Battalion

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    Ignoring it would mean stop testing. China is ignoring it. Again, for the hard of thinking, is there an increased mortality rate. No. Carry on this is a hoax.

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    Al

    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    Well, I don’t and haven’t watched TV for almost 2 decades. Could you provide some links (oops, forgot – you’re not allowed to here) or names of other sites where this holy info can be obtained?
    Fanx John 😉

    PS – MY “planet” is obviously a long way from yours……

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