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6 protesters were reportedly shot in yesterday’s chaos as police tried to repel advancing anti-government protesters as they attempted to march to the front of the Thai Parliament. They were shot with live rounds according to medical staff who attended to their injuries. Inside the parliament lawmakers debated proposals for possible constitutional reform. At this stage it is not clear who opened fire.

Police also used tear gas and tear gas-laced water from a high powered water cannon truck on demonstrators. Protesters pushed through barricades of concrete blocks and razor wire, laid earlier in the day by police, to make their way to the front of parliament. The police maintain they were within their rights to defend the parliament building and its occupants.

According to the Erawan Emergency Medical Centre, ambulance officers and medical coordination officials, more than 50 people were injured in the melee, mostly caused by tear gas fumes. They also reported that 6 people were shot.

Earlier in the day 100 royalist supporters protested the very discussion of amendments in the parliament, but it was the afternoon arrival of the anti-government protests that attracted thousands more to the area. The rally, on 2 fronts, then tried to move towards the entrance of the Thai parliament on Samsen Road but police had set up 3-layered concrete barricades, covered in razor wire. Riot police, armed with riot shields and batons, awaited anyone who tried to get through.

At the time there was no mention of live rounds being used but some photos show various weapons being carried by police.

Police maintained that the anti-government protesters, called ‘Ratsadon’ (People’s Party), didn’t apply for permission to conduct their protest, or make the proper applications, so acted illegally.

Police sprayed water cannon at protesters at least 8 times. The protesters cut through the razor wire and started pushing aside the concrete barriers outside parliament. Officers then fired tear gas. On at least 2 occasions, caught on camera, protesters ran to grab the tear gas canisters before they started releasing their toxic fumes, and hurled them back at police. The result was police and attendant media being forced to scatter.

Protesters also threw blue paint bombs at police. Later in the afternoon Royalist and pro-government supporters were seen throwing bricks and other objects at protesters, somehow being allowed to act on the police side of the cordon facing off with the frontline of anti-government protesters.

6 protesters shot with live rounds in Bangkok, but police deny the claims | News by Thaiger

A Bangkok police spokesman has denied police used rubber bullets or live rounds. 4 people remain in hospital.

The Thai Human Rights Lawyers Association has slammed the police tactics, telling Bangkok Post “it was not in accordance with international procedure to disperse demonstrations”.

Parliament will vote later today on which amendments can be debated further. The controversial proposals to include reforms to the Thai monarchy are unlikely to be accepted for further discussions.

The next protest has been scheduled for Ratchaprasong intersection in the middle of Bangkok’s main shopping district at 4pm today. But protesters have been very adept at changing their venues and movements at a moment’s notice, and staying one step ahead of the police, using encrypted messaging.

6 protesters shot with live rounds in Bangkok, but police deny the claims | News by Thaiger

SOURCE: Bangkok Post

 

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42 Comments

42 Comments

  1. Avatar

    Ameila Leary

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    Thai administration is constantly violating human rights and now killing their own people by claiming that the police have to protect the rights to defend the parliament building and its inhabitants, so what about the human rights of people there? Thai administration has the right to request the responses from the administration and its job to provide answers to its people.

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    Issan John

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    Perfectly possible they were shot, given the availability of firearms in Thailand, but it seems very unlikely they were shot by the police who have apparently yet to use even rubber bullets.

    FWIW the M79s and similar weapons carried by the police in the photographs can be used to fire either a 40mm rubber bullet or baton round, or a CS / tear gas grenade.

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    Issan John

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    “Thai Human Rights Lawyers Association has slammed the police tactics, telling Bangkok Post “it was not in accordance with international procedure to disperse demonstrations”

    Rather absurd. I can’t think of any country that would allow a crowd of demonstrators, however peaceful they were (and these certainly weren’t peaceful) into Parliament – particularly when parliament was in session.

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      Preesy Chepuce

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:12 pm

      If you read about English history you might not feel so outraged by the thought of the common man seizing back control of his land from corrupt oligarchs, who may use dubiously acquired wealth to silence dissent by force. Perhaps you might enjoy summering in North Korea?

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        Issan John

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:48 pm

        I’m reasonably well acquainted with English history so I’m not “outraged” at all.

        If you read what I wrote, you might see that I’m not commenting on the rights and wrongs of the protests (although I’ve commented elsewhere on the “referendum” for the 2017 constitution, which I think makes my views more than clear) but I’m ONLY commenting here on the RTP’s actions which were both reasonable and well within both international law and international norms.

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    Issan John

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    So, overlooking that nobody has actually been killed, what would you suggest the police should have done?

    Stood by and allowed a crowd of thousands of protesters, at least some of whom were violent, into Parliament to attack those who were actually in the process of debating the very issues the protesters were complaining about?

    I’m not defending Thailand’s current constitution or government in any way, but it IS the job of the police to “to protect the rights to defend the parliament building and its inhabitants” and all the evidence is that the RTP have so far done an outstanding job balancing that with the protesters’ “human rights”.

    Again, it’s nothing to do with my views of the merits of either the government or the protesters but the RTP have shown commendable restraint so far and they deserve full credit for that.

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      Fred glue

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 2:40 pm

      Go & make your self a hot chocalate, and go outside and get some fresh air and relax a little.

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      Dreamon

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:39 pm

      Shut up nazi, go back to your cave.

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      Tim Hudson

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 5:29 pm

      You need a visa extension without the necessary money to prostrate you like that?

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        Issan John

        Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 8:38 pm

        No “prosttating” – simply credit where it’s due.

        The RTP have done very well so far, all things considered, and it’s only reasonable to say so.

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          Toby Andrews

          Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:05 pm

          Thai police, and government can do no wrong according to I John.
          He will always find excuses for them.
          The fact is protestors were shot, if not by the uniformed police, then probably by police agents in civilian cloths.
          The protesters have a justification to use molotov cocktails now.
          They will receive nothing from the present Thai government by asking nicely,

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            Issan John

            Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 7:20 pm

            I have no problem in saying where they do “wrong”, WHEN THEY DO, as I have done regularly and frequently with facts rather than just mindlessly throwing excreta in the hope that if you throw ennough some of it will stick – the last instance I recall was about the “referendum” on the current constitution and it’s validity, and why it was voted for.

            You whad to leave Thailand and Pattaya as you couldn’t afford to extend your visa so you ran off to Cambodia instead, since when you simply trash anything and everything about Thailand whether there’s any justification for it or not.

            In my view that achieves nothing and is simply childish.

            You have no idea who the protestors were shot by, and neither have I – the only “facts” established so far are that one of the pro-monarchy protestors was caught and arrested with a “357” and some ammunition, and some empty cases have been found at the protest site.

            If the protestors think they “have a justification to use molotov cocktails now” because of that, they would be very short-sighted which I doubt the vast majority are.

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          Jake Pattaya

          Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:43 pm

          Completly agree with Issan John, well said as usual.

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      Preesy Chepuce

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:15 pm

      Armadeu de Prado — ‘When dictatorship is a fact, revolution is a duty”.’

      The trouble is “Issan John” that you are a consumer of Thailand, not a citizen of it.
      There’s a concept at play here – when the police knock on your door in your country, do you show them your papers, or do they show you their papers?

      Your apologism is to some, rather disturbing.

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        Issan John

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 7:34 pm

        I’m not “apologising” for anything, here or elsewhere, and most of the time I’m avoiding taking sides but simply stating facts and giving an informed opinion.

        If that’s “disturbing” to some, well, I’m not going to lose too much sleep about it.

        … and, FWIW, in “my” country when I knocked on someone’s door at five in the morning with the police for a wake-up call when there was a state of emergency, the last thing anyone did was show anyone any “papers”.

        … I’m not saying that was a good thing or a bad thing, simply answering you question.

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    Gosport

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    That is the right answer to these rioters.

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    Fabian

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    I’ve seen it several times now that the police starts with water cannons to scare of the protesters at the beginning of a rally. I don’t condone any kind of violence here but if the police does that it’s going to make the people more agitated, so they sort of induce violence themselves.

    It was shocking to see though that when pro democracy and pro monarchy people were about to clash the police simply withdrew. Seems like they were wishing for a confrontation between the two groups.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:02 pm

      None of which actually happened.

      The police didn’t use water cannon until the protesters started to move and break up the barriers when they first used ‘clean’ water then when that wasn’t effective used water with chemical irritant.

      What else do you suggest they should have done? Let them pass, or shot them?

      … and as far as I can see from the reports and the photos the police never “simply withdrew”, but they were never in any position to control two opposing groups and protect the Parliament building at the same time – they simply didn’t have the numbers or the equipment, so they prioritised.

      For the police, any police, it’s a lose-lose situation. If they’d had the manpower and equipment in place to deal with all developments they’d have been accused of “sort of inducing violence themselves”, as you’ve already accused them, and if they don’t they can’t deal with everything, which you’ve also blamed them for.

      As before, what else do you suggest they should have done?

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        Fabian

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 10:29 am

        There are cases when police shot at people while they were just peaceful.

        There is no reason in the first place to put up the barrier. There is no threat from the protesters towards the police or parliamentarians so just let them pass. The threat is created by the government and the police. I stay with my point that the way the government and police are dealing with this is inducing violence. It’s fortunate to see that so far there has been little violence to see from the protester’s side. But it’s a slippery slope down to violence. It’s sad, but hat else can you do if autocrats won’t give up? Let the autocrats just stay in power or increase their power?

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          Issan John

          Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:23 pm

          “There are cases when police shot at people while they were just peaceful.”

          Plenty of cases, in plenty of countries, fabian. I couldn’t agree with you more, but this simply wasn’t one of them.

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        Tori

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 7:54 pm

        What they should do is allow the government to ride rough shot over its citizens, continue the s e x trade, don’t give women a voice keep them in the s ex trade, drunk , drugged and unenlightened, uneducated- there’s nothing to see people everyone back to normal- said with much sarcasm

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    Al

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    It’s easy to see that they need to tarnish the protesters as an enemy. Simple as that. This is leading towards a civil war and seems to be what some “people” wish to start in the US. Either that or for the UN to be invited…heaven forbaid.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:21 pm

      The “civil war” has been ongoing, off and on, for two or three decades.

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        AI

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:15 am

        J, there has been a “civil war” going on between those with and those without since about 1850….. “WHAT” you say?…… good luck with understanding that…..it would take some serious research and study to get to that conclusion.
        And your expected reply is……55! 😉

        PS – Here’s a big clue. Don’t you think that this convid just happened coincidentally? That possibly the same players were behind all the wars, murder and mayhem of the 20th century and beyond in to 2001/2003 etc. If you would like an insight, I dare you to check up someone you probably have never heard of – Carroll Quigley – book – Tragedy and Hope.

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          Issan John

          Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:04 pm

          No. … and no.

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    Bobby m

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:57 pm

    I am afraid this is what happens when a country fails to manage its economy. There are tens of thousands of people that have no work, no income, have lost businesses, have lost property and are in debt up to their eyeballs.

    A country’s economy is not only about money, but the welfare of its inhabitants, this has been on the cards for some time now and it’s so sad to see.

    I have seen it said that Thais are very resourceful and can go back to farming, the land and fishing. That’s all well and good and maybe enough for a certain age group. But that does not and will not work with the younger generation they have not lived that life and they don’t want to and who can blame them.

    Perhaps the “WHO” would like to think about and consider the bigger picture before they incorrectly praise a country. Unless organisation.

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      Issan John

      Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:17 pm

      Perhaps YOU might like to think about and consider who’s actually taking part in the protests, and it’s NOT “people that have no work, no income, have lost businesses, have lost property and are in debt up to their eyeballs.”

      Perhaps you might also like to think about and consider how, exactly, any country can “manage its economy” so that it can keep up its exports when demand has collapsed as a result of a global recession which it can do nothing about.

      These protests have NOTHING to do with the “economy”.

      None of the protesters have mentioned the economy, although there have been a number of side-protests about anything from LGBT issues to women’s rights.

      The protests are about the monarchy, the constitution and the government (not necessarily in that order), NOT the economy however much you may like that to be the case.

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        Bobby m

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:00 am

        Says the man that clearly knows NOTHING about EVERYTHING.

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        Bobby m

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 1:08 am

        Of course it’s to do with the economy.

        This goes way beyond red shirts and yellow shirts. As you have stated yourself, that’s been going on for decades, but not like this.

        You comment on all economies being in the same boat, again utter rubbish. Those that have managed their economies along with the virus are in a far better position for recovery.

        You clearly believe you are an expert on most topics if not all and know better than anybody and everybody else contributing. The fact is you are not and you don’t.

        You challenge everything anybody comments on with complete and utter rubbish.

        You jumped on a comment the other day, telling the contributor that you can’t mix tear gas with water because it’s a gas. Just like the majority of what you say in your comments, you were wrong. It’s not a gas it’s a powder.

        You need to take a reality check John and understand like the rest of us, you are entitled to nothing more than an opinion, so stop challenging other contributors opinions. It’s their opinion and they are entitled to it.

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          Issan John

          Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:01 pm

          “Of course” ?

          Well, you’re entitled to your opinion, but it’s rather a bizarre one since the protesters clearly don’t agree with you; somehow, I think I’ll go along with what they say about their motivation rather than you.

          “This goes way beyond red shirts and yellow shirts. As you have stated yourself, that’s been going on for decades, but not like this.”

          The only real difference is the protesters’ involvement of the monarchy, and more particularly the present monarch who they are openly and very specifically targeting. Since he was only crowned last year, it could hardly have happened “like this” before.

          “You comment on all economies being in the same boat, again utter rubbish.”

          Your imagination has got the better of you, as I never said that or anything remotely like it. What I actually said was “Perhaps you might also like to think about and consider how, exactly, any country can “manage its economy” so that it can keep up its exports when demand has collapsed as a result of a global recession which it can do nothing about” which has no connection with what you’ve said.

          “You jumped on a comment the other day, telling the contributor that you can’t mix tear gas with water because it’s a gas. Just like the majority of what you say in your comments, you were wrong. It’s not a gas it’s a powder.”

          Sorry, but actually it wasn’t ‘a contributor but the article, and my comment’s not “wrong” at all. “Tear gas” is a “gas” which contains a chemical irritant, which is the “powder” you’re referring to. You can mix the powder (CN, CS or CR generally, though usually CS) with water but you can’t mix “tear gas” with water in a water cannon. That isn’t what the police did, which was described in detail in a different article and done in full public view.

          “It’s their opinion and they are entitled to it.”

          Indeed they are, as am I, but none of us are entitled to our own facts.

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        Danny

        Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 10:15 am

        The economy isn’t the main issue, but it IS a factor driving the protests. If you’ve got a decent job, are reasonably comfortable, and can afford a nice meal out or weekend trip from time to time, its far less likely that you’ll risk being sprayed by water cannons, tear gas or even shot, in hopes of trying to change the system.

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          Bobby m

          Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 1:51 pm

          Spot on Danny. ??

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    Issan John

    Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    I see one of the pro-monarchy protesters was arrested carrying a “357” and ten rounds.

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    ynwaps

    Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:20 am

    Ah encrypted messaging. Something we managed to infiltrate in West already. Thailand can have access too for just a few terms and conditions.

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    Math

    Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 10:56 am

    It is always the same method used by the mundialists to raise tensions between protesters and the power they want to overthrow.

    Used during “pro-democracy” demonstrations in Libya, Syria, Yemen and other numerous places.

    There had been articles on this technique including one: “Color Revolution’s Mystery Gunmen”.

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      Math

      Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 11:01 am

      And I forgot to mention that it was also used during the Red Shirt demonstrations in Thailand.

      This allows the demonization of the power even without any proof and strengthens the anger of the protesters.

      I was just wondering, when the mundialists were going to launch the operation in these protests, it’s done!

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    jesus monroe

    Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:52 pm

    Those holes with blood poring out aren’t caused by bullets……

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    Toby Andrews

    Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    Give the Thais the right to have an election, and they could vote in who they want.
    If enough Thais think the present government is administrating Thailand the best, they could keep power.
    However, the present government is hanging onto to power with a false declaration of an emergency.
    They claim emergency powers to oppress the citizens.

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    Toby Andrews

    Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    The royalist were on the police side of the cordon, and they were throwing bricks at the protesters.
    There where no women among the royalists.
    The evidence is compelling.
    The royalists are agents of the government.

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      Issan John

      Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:07 pm

      There was no “cordon”.

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