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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
Admit we're wrong? About what? I didn't really pay attention to the volumes you have written in other threads on what appeared to be the glories of adult male-child sexual relationships, so I'm mostly responding to what you wrote here. 1) You are trying to justify sex between adults and 12 year olds (they are, after all, in the 13th year). Maybe other fora you might frequent applaud this, but that will never happen here or, really, anywhere normal people congregate. You know this -- there's a reason you don't bring this up when face to face with guys in the bar, or when you're hanging out with your friends and their wives, or with your friends who have children. 2) You go to great lengths reminding us of the legal definition of a pedophile (literally no one mentioned that word but you) and trying to obfuscate the conversation with phraseology no one except professionals in a certain field use ("we all know what the Tanner stages are"? No, most people have never heard of that. "physically precocious"? "signaling her fertility through iliac flaring"?). Unless you're a pediatrician, or a child psychologist, I find it hard to conceive of a non-creepy reason you are so into this topic as to use phrases like "signaling her fertility through iliac flaring." 3) You scorn people (it did not seem facetious) who ACTUALLY RAISE CHILDREN -- as it degrades our critical thinking skills on... whether adults should be allowed to access children for sex. If you really were joking, I withdraw this point... but then you need to do a better job at joking cuz we all think you're serious. 4) Correct me if I'm wrong but NOTHING I have seen in your writings ever takes into account the welfare of the child. It's always how to justify it from the adult male's perspective, who wants the sex with the child. 5) I'm 100% sure none of the authors of the papers you cite in the Lancet etc would approve of their work -- which is giving a clinical definition of adolescence -- being used to justify sex between adult males and 12 year olds, or even 16 year olds. 6) @MrStretch Yes, we're hanging our arguments on societal norms... which are entirely relevant and legitimate considerations in a discussion on whether or not children should have sex with adults. You can't separate the two issues and anyone who tries, inevitably comes across as a pedophile. 7) Reynard, I truly don't mean to insult you with this, but your persistent arguing in favor of allowing sexual access to 12+ is not a good look (OK, you might not care). I'll leave it at that. -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
Well indeed. And I was criticised for suggesting a 12 year old might be a teenager, bringing in the semantics of the word. My own feelings are that the Argentine law is the most realist. An age of consent at 13, with exceptions for authority figures, like this teacher in the news story, who might be abusing trust. It's most correct to the Western cultural tradition, and to the natural social sciences, and to social facts about people in their formative years. As I might have said, I would also add the qualifier of biomarkers, relating to mid-puberty, as having more import than DoB. I only really object to statutory rape when It's one of three things: 1) minors lying about their age, 2) both parties might be thought teens or youth, by a mainstream usage or definition, or 3) when proven affection and responsible care can be demonstrated to be mutual, or at least sincere on the part of the older partner. None of these concerns is unusual. -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
Now when do girls reach Tanner Stage 3? In Denmark girls have reached it at 12.3-13, with breast maturation slightly preceding that of the pubic hair. See table 2. https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(23)00510-4/fulltext -
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News Forum - Disgraced Khon Kaen school director nabbed for buying sex from student, 12
It's also worth asking what paedophilia is. The current ICD does not specify beyond that the erotic target must be pre-pubertal. "Pedophilic disorder is characterised by a sustained, focused, and intense pattern of sexual arousal—as manifested by persistent sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours—involving pre-pubertal children. " The DSM-5-TR, similarly defines paedophilia without stating an age, but by reference to a developmental stage. Formerly age 13 had been specified, with Tanner Stage 3 in mind, and this is important. "An individual who has had arousing fantasies about, urges for, or behaviors with a prepubescent child or children." As we all know what the Tanner stages are. The third stage marks mid puberty, meaning that minors in early puberty are more like children, and are perceived so by others. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470280/ Yes it does matter, in a trial, wether the minor is physically and mentally precocious or not.
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