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23 minutes ago, Khunwilko said:

NONE of this works unless it is part of a holistic policy that is "safe System".

Can you describe this 'safe system' and how it might be applied in Asian countries please?

 

23 minutes ago, Khunwilko said:

Countries that have embraced this have death tolls under one tenth of that it Thailand and are heading towards ZERO

Please supply verified and comparable data plus links to the source(s). 

The problem with Asian. esp. Thai stats, is the high proportion (75&) of motorbike accidents and deaths which skew country comparisons.

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1 hour ago, KaptainRob said:

Please supply verified and comparable data plus links to the source(s). 

I'm sorry but if you don't know how to find the info how can you comment?

 

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2 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

in any debate on motoring in Thailand people cite personal anecdote and single items as solutions

"Driving test"

Police enforcement"

Drunk driving etc.

the truth is NONE of this works unless it is part of a holistic policy that is "safe System".

Countries that have embraced this have death tolls under one tenth of that it Thailand and are heading towards ZERO

We know as we have carried out the list of actions you listed above in the UK and Europe for many decades now and that is why our death rate is a fraction of what it is in Thailand.

Thailand does not seem to be able to introduce this simple system and make it work.

"Driving test"

The driving test in Thailand is a joke, a ten year old kid could pass the test.

"police enforcement"

During the many months I stay in Phuket at any one time I see over 50% of people do not bother to wear a crash helmet, the police do not seem to care.

I have even seen the police themselves drive down the wrong way down a street on their motorbikes.

"Drunk driving"

If you get caught you can just pay and then carry on driving home.

"the truth is NONE of this works unless it is part of a holistic policy that is "safe System".

You make it sound like you have just discovered this, we have been following this method in the West for many decades.

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2 hours ago, JamesR said:

We know as we have carried out the list of actions you listed above in the UK and Europe for many decades now and that is why our death rate is a fraction of what it is in Thailand.

Thailand does not seem to be able to introduce this simple system and make it work.

"Driving test"

The driving test in Thailand is a joke, a ten year old kid could pass the test.

"police enforcement"

During the many months I stay in Phuket at any one time I see over 50% of people do not bother to wear a crash helmet, the police do not seem to care.

I have even seen the police themselves drive down the wrong way down a street on their motorbikes.

"Drunk driving"

If you get caught you can just pay and then carry on driving home.

"the truth is NONE of this works unless it is part of a holistic policy that is "safe System".

You make it sound like you have just discovered this, we have been following this method in the West for many decades.

agin you are just rattling in a barrel - citing these examples does not indicate you understand whites going on.

It is a health and safety problem and the government needs to adopt it - It's the Safe System and it needs to be take on completely not just piece meal.

 

everyone can give examples of "driving" in Thailand but unless the root problems are tackled nothing will happen

It makes me very sad to see that the vast majority of foreigners have absolutely no concept of what the problem is preferring to make racist comments about Thai drivers and implying that they themselves are so superior.

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14 minutes ago, Khunwilko said:

agin you are just rattling in a barrel - citing these examples does not indicate you understand whites going on.

It is a health and safety problem and the government needs to adopt it - It's the Safe System and it needs to be take on completely not just piece meal.

everyone can give examples of "driving" in Thailand but unless the root problems are tackled nothing will happen

It makes me very sad to see that the vast majority of foreigners have absolutely no concept of what the problem is preferring to make racist comments about Thai drivers and implying that they themselves are so superior.

My list of what needs to be done is clear, just adopt them.

There is nothing in my comment which was racist, you seem to be racist by expecting everything we farangs write as being racist.

I gave no examples of driving just a list of rules that needed to be followed and then perhaps the number of deaths in Thailand will not stay as they are now much higher than in the West, or am I being racist again as I am a farang?

 

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6 hours ago, JamesR said:

My list of what needs to be done is clear, just adopt them.

There is nothing in my comment which was racist, you seem to be racist by expecting everything we farangs write as being racist.

I gave no examples of driving just a list of rules that needed to be followed and then perhaps the number of deaths in Thailand will not stay as they are now much higher than in the West, or am I being racist again as I am a farang?

Put KW on IGNORE, he's obviously out of his depth and prefers to insult and abuse rather than answer questions with valid ideas and data to back wild claims.

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10 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

I'm sorry but if you don't know how to find the info how can you comment?

Your arrogance knows no bounds does it, you are the one giving out mendacious information, up to you to prove it, but there again how can you prove a lie. A mod has asked you to show links to your statement and your reply.... You find it. 

Look up the Dunning Kruger effect. 

"In 2011, Dunning wrote about his observations that people with substantial, measurable deficits in their knowledge or expertise lack the ability to recognize those deficits and, therefore, despite potentially making error after error, tend to think they are performing competently when they are not: "In short, those who are incompetent, for lack of a better term, should have little insight into their incompetence—an assertion that has come to be known as the Dunning–Kruger effect".[14] In 2014, Dunning and Helzer described how the Dunning–Kruger effect "suggests that poor performers are not in a position to recognize the shortcomings in their performance".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

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13 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

Your arrogance knows no bounds does it, you are the one giving out mendacious information, up to you to prove it, but there again how can you prove a lie. A mod has asked you to show links to your statement and your reply.... You find it. 

Look up the Dunning Kruger effect. 

"In 2011, Dunning wrote about his observations that people with substantial, measurable deficits in their knowledge or expertise lack the ability to recognize those deficits and, therefore, despite potentially making error after error, tend to think they are performing competently when they are not: "In short, those who are incompetent, for lack of a better term, should have little insight into their incompetence—an assertion that has come to be known as the Dunning–Kruger effect".[14] In 2014, Dunning and Helzer described how the Dunning–Kruger effect "suggests that poor performers are not in a position to recognize the shortcomings in their performance".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Yes, I was told about this a few years ago.

It also states somewhere the opposite happens where people who are in fact very capable, see themselves as not as capable as others but this does not apply to the person you aimed this comment at, we are not allowed to mention names directly as you know.

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14 hours ago, KaptainRob said:

Put KW on IGNORE, he's obviously out of his depth and prefers to insult and abuse rather than answer questions with valid ideas and data to back wild claims.

He makes me laugh, this forum is quite good as it is a bit like the singing contests you get each year on the TV in the UK, you like to listen to the people who can sing, but you really want to hear the ones who can't sing and laugh at them.

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2 hours ago, JamesR said:

He makes me laugh, this forum is quite good as it is a bit like the singing contests you get each year on the TV in the UK, you like to listen to the people who can sing, but you really want to hear the ones who can't sing and laugh at them.

6 cars today a usual journey of 45 minutes was over 2 hours. I don’t have time for key board warriors- work away 😂

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15 minutes ago, Philly said:

6 cars today a usual journey of 45 minutes was over 2 hours. I don’t have time for key board warriors- work away 😂

I thought it was Song Kran again (spelling?) where the people returning home to Issan from Bangkok stop near the airport, park on the highway in their hundreds and get out their food, eat it on the flatbed part of their pickup truck and get on with having a mini party. 

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On 10/22/2021 at 11:33 AM, ExpatPattaya said:

Best answer is to make driving a privileged and not a right.  People who are retired should be strongly discouraged or penalized highly for driving IMO.  Everything can be delivered nowadays.  Bolt and Grab drivers if you need to go to hospital or get a check up.  Time to make ride sharing and public transpo mandatory, like the vaccines !  55 

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Where would you like us to wait for the bus or light train in our village to avoid the congestion ? Our nearest Big C is 25Km and hospital 15Km . 

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1 hour ago, gazmo16 said:

Where would you like us to wait for the bus or light train in our village to avoid the congestion ? Our nearest Big C is 25Km and hospital 15Km . 

Am retired and stay where I can walk most places.

Retirees should always be close to hospitals and markets IMO

15 kilometres is easily reached on a EV scooter or bike

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18 hours ago, Faraday said:

And that isn't driving ...??

Yes it is, but no license, insurance, or helmet necessary. Same with EV bicycles under 500 watts

Plus infinitely safer than getting hit by a 1300 kg car or truck

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21 hours ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Am retired and stay where I can walk most places.

Retirees should always be close to hospitals and markets IMO

15 kilometres is easily reached on a EV scooter or bike

Like I'd feel even safer on an EV scooter on rural roads ! Good job the hospital is closer than the supermarket if I had one of those things 

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5 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

most accidents occur within 10 km of home.

Didn't Jimmy Saville say something similar ? Clunk click every trip (another rule of the road ignored often )

This statistic is easily explained as people are on auto pilot in familiar places so attention  to their environment at this time is at minimum 

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21 hours ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Am retired and stay where I can walk most places.

Retirees should always be close to hospitals and markets IMO

15 kilometres is easily reached on a EV scooter or bike

Perhaps you should move to Udon?

AEK Udon Hospital have rental apartments in their grounds. In the event of feeling under the weather, the hospital is only fifty metres away.
If you do survive and need a market there's one within five hundred metres.

Send my commission to...

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On 10/23/2021 at 12:32 AM, Khunwilko said:

It is a health and safety problem and the government needs to adopt it - It's the Safe System and it needs to be take on completely not just piece meal.

everyone can give examples of "driving" in Thailand but unless the root problems are tackled nothing will happen

 

The introduction of a “Safe System” is valid for many countries, however in my opinion, Thailand is not at a stage to be able to adopt the paradigm shift accompanying such a program. This is simply as they have seemingly not done the hard work to get to the point where adoption would be workable.

Many of the countries who are now working to, or have adopted the approach, have spent years in developing driver training systems, public awareness, reducing drink driving rates and improving policing of roads, in their efforts to substantially lower their annual volume of deaths and injuries from accidents.  This, to me, is a clear piece of the pie missing for Thailand to successfully adopt such a mindset shift.

Unless significant improvements are made to driving habits and are properly policed to ensure compliance, the human element, that still forms part of the “Safe System” approach, is simply too overwhelming for other key features like road design to promote the benefits of such a program.

https://www.pacts.org.uk/safe-system/

To me, it would be like taking a student from junior school to university without doing the grades in between that help the student to gain knowledge, experience and social development for later use at university level. A holistic program is good in theory but only if applied by the right programs at the right time.

 

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1 hour ago, Bluesofa said:

Perhaps you should move to Udon?

AEK Udon Hospital have rental apartments in their grounds. In the event of feeling under the weather, the hospital is only fifty metres away.
If you do survive and need a market there's one within five hundred metres.

Send my commission to...

Am a love-seeker so retired in Pattaya, the beautiful beach town everyone dreams about  555

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A number of off topic posts and the replies have been removed.
Prostate examinations are neither required for the Thai Driving test or the ability to drive motorcycles or cars. 

Haemorrhoids may present a different and uncomfortable driving experience though. 
Please remain on topic and no mention of 'piles' either. 😊
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On 10/20/2021 at 7:28 PM, Khunwilko said:

Unfortunately there are a lot of drivers here who think that their IDP is Ok - and they use it for years,

Considering they're only valid for 12 months.

On 10/20/2021 at 7:28 PM, Khunwilko said:

They are also often the ones who complain loudest about Thai drivers.

What would you like us to call them, non racially of course. 'Thai farangs'?

On 10/22/2021 at 9:36 PM, Khunwilko said:

I'm sorry but if you don't know how to find the info how can you comment?

No, my friend, if you want to state facts, the forum has a rule, which is why you were asked by a moderator to provide a link to your claims.
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Don't try reading the rules on a mobile whilst driving, as is the normal practice for Thai drivers, it's dangerous

On 10/23/2021 at 12:32 AM, Khunwilko said:

It makes me very sad to see that the vast majority of foreigners have absolutely no concept of what the problem is preferring to make racist comments about Thai drivers and implying that they themselves are so superior.

We understand what the problem is, but if the Thai authorities had any concern for road safety and the welfare of their citizens, they have to make radical changes to the law and enforce it, but that's going to happen.

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4 hours ago, Faz said:

Considering they're only valid for 12 months

Ater 3 months in Thailand you need a Thai licence - IDP is no good - officially.

 

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