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Important rules and behaviours for driving in Thailand


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38 minutes ago, Khunwilko said:

Pattaya and Samui mainly - over a period of of about 30 years - occasionally having to get people out of nick or ring up police officers to sort it out.

foreigners living in small villages tend to get licences as it is easier in regional towns especially if you have a Thai partner. 

Many of the retirees in the major expat ghettoes fail there eye tests etc and either have to bribe their way to a Thai licence or keep an IDP and hope that no-one will notie=ce they have been driving on it for years when the limit is three months.

I met an English guy once who thought it cost 20k to get a Thai licence - basically that's the tea money various agents had taken off him a the Pattaya DLT before he got his licence - and even then he didn't realise it didn't cover his motorcycle.

It's the best thing about the corrupt police even if you get caught and they realise, they just ask for a bit more money.

PS - Nakhorn means city.

I would assume if they failed the eye test they shouldn’t be driving. Not getting a Thai dl is just lazy. 

 

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1 hour ago, Golden-Triangle said:

How's it all going now ? Are you back on your feet and mobile again, I really hope so. 😉

Thanks for your concern GT.

Yes, I am mobile again. been going out for short 10km rides to start with.
I'm setting my sights high. As soon as the rain stops - hopefully at the end of this month - I can't wait to go for some longer rides.
I used to do a 36km loop three/four times a week.

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There is only one rule for operating a means of transport on Thai  roads. Defensive, defensive !

99% it will work. The 1% it does not is because you forgot  "Murphy's Law".

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44 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

That is one that gets me............

I am fine driving on the "wrong side" and am fine driving in the passenger seat  :)

But I am constantly turning on the window wipers when trying to hit the turn signal 5555

Wrong side? Merican or European from that  big piece of  dirt?  Really the only consideration a driver should have is that as the driver you are closest to the idiot coming the other way. Thankfully  in Thailand the drivers seat in positioned on the right and is suited to the reflexes I have acquired. During my time living in Brasil it was only the pain from bruising my knuckles on the door panel when attempting to  change gear that I discovered an ability to adapt...temporarily !

Incomplete exchange of control levers such as lights and wipers is just a cruel joke !

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1 hour ago, Mynemesis said:

I give you that slip up BUT I haven’t met any foreigner in the fifteen years that I have lived here who drives but doesn’t have a Thai license. Have met Thais who don’t. A friends wife, who lives in Phang Na, drives daily and has never had a license.

Where we lived in the UK there were Thai wives who thought it OK to drive more than one year on their Thai license.

s said it is appalling how little foreigners understand about driving in Thailand.

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2 hours ago, LoongFred said:

I would assume if they failed the eye test they shouldn’t be driving. Not getting a Thai dl is just lazy. 

most are just lazy.

 

they have no respect for driving in Thailand.

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2 hours ago, Convert54 said:

There is only one rule for operating a means of transport on Thai  roads. Defensive, defensive !

99% it will work. The 1% it does not is because you forgot  "Murphy's Law".

 

I avoid using the expression “defensive driving” as I think it is unhelpful.... it gets confused with “slow”, “indecisive”, “timid” and “hesitant”, all of which are to be avoided.

If you ask people what their idea of "defensive driving" is, they for the most part won't know.

 defensive driving skills -  "driving to save lives, time, and money, in spite of the conditions around you and the actions of others.” – wiki [American National Standard Safe Practices for Motor Vehicle Operation]

Defensive driving is a particular style of road driving that utilises a variety of techniques and tactics to keep you and everybody else safe on the road.  - Road craft

 

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7 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

I avoid using the expression “defensive driving” as I think it is unhelpful.... it gets confused with “slow”, “indecisive”, “timid” and “hesitant”, all of which are to be avoided.

If you ask people what their idea of "defensive driving" is, they for the most part won't know.

 defensive driving skills -  "driving to save lives, time, and money, in spite of the conditions around you and the actions of others.” – wiki [American National Standard Safe Practices for Motor Vehicle Operation]

Defensive driving is a particular style of road driving that utilises a variety of techniques and tactics to keep you and everybody else safe on the road.  - Road craft

I have no idea of what you are talking about. You say it is or it isn"t.

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9 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

s said it is appalling how little foreigners understand about driving in Thailand.

Maybe in Pattaya and/Samui. No need to get a license to drive the wheel chair ton the next bar.  

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8 hours ago, LoongFred said:

I have no idea of what you are talking about. You say it is or it isn"t.

QED - that's precisely why I don't like the expression.

 

there are 2 definitions to choose from, but as you say few really understand the concept.

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7 hours ago, LoongFred said:

Maybe in Pattaya and/Samui. No need to get a license to drive the wheel chair ton the next bar.  

 

7 hours ago, LoongFred said:

Maybe in Pattaya and/Samui. No need to get a license to drive the wheel chair ton the next bar.  

Interesting point that highlights the vagueness of both Thai law and enforcement.

it is quite possible that electric mobility aids (especially 4-wheeled one and over a certain power) over a certain power require a licence - but the chances of the police enforcing this is minimal.

Also the figures aren't available but I suspect that Pattaya has the highest concentration of car and motorcycle ownership by foreigners in the country....and some of the worst foreign drivers.

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38 minutes ago, Khunwilko said:

Interesting point that highlights the vagueness of both Thai law and enforcement.

it is quite possible that electric mobility aids (especially 4-wheeled one and over a certain power) over a certain power require a licence - but the chances of the police enforcing this is minimal.

Also the figures aren't available but I suspect that Pattaya has the highest concentration of car and motorcycle ownership by foreigners in the country....and some of the worst foreign drivers.

OK if you say so. I haven't been there in many years and don't plan to go in many more. Although there are undoubtedly some good folks there are also a lot that I don't want to associate with(both Thai and falang).Bad driving is perhaps another reason.  To each his/her own.

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2 hours ago, LoongFred said:

some good folks there

I don't see how the is relevant to the topic - ae you suggesting pele you don't like are bad drivers or have/don't have D/Ls?

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50 minutes ago, Khunwilko said:

I don't see how the is relevant to the topic - ae you suggesting pele you don't like are bad drivers or have/don't have D/Ls?

I don't know anyone here that drives without a license. There are bad drivers everywhere and it's not an exclusive Thai problem.

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Unfortunately there are a lot of drivers here who think that their IDP is Ok - and they use it for years,

another reason is many are elderly and wouldn't pass the physical in there home country or failed one in Thailand - they just walk away and don't bother. This means if they do have a crash they have no insurance either.

They also allow their home licence to expire and don't bother getting a Thai D/L - many live here full time others go back and forth. Their philodsophy is that they can pay their way out of any trouble...or get their wives to say they were driving.

They are also often the ones who complain loudest about Thai drivers.

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Best answer is to make driving a privileged and not a right.  People who are retired should be strongly discouraged or penalized highly for driving IMO.  Everything can be delivered nowadays.  Bolt and Grab drivers if you need to go to hospital or get a check up.  Time to make ride sharing and public transpo mandatory, like the vaccines !  55 

driving traffic.jpg

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11 minutes ago, ExpatPattaya said:

Best answer is to make driving a privileged and not a right.  People who are retired should be strongly discouraged or penalized highly for driving IMO.  Everything can be delivered nowadays.  Bolt and Grab drivers if you need to go to hospital or get a check up.  Time to make ride sharing and public transpo mandatory, like the vaccines !  55 

driving traffic.jpg

public transpo  555

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Undertaking on the left of your vehicle is a danger. And then you have another motorcycle on your right hand side. Educate drivers is the answer. Motorways are crazy, lorries going at about 60kmph in the fast lane, I give up

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On 10/20/2021 at 2:53 PM, Khunwilko said:

Interesting point that highlights the vagueness of both Thai law and enforcement.

it is quite possible that electric mobility aids (especially 4-wheeled one and over a certain power) over a certain power require a licence - but the chances of the police enforcing this is minimal.

Also the figures aren't available but I suspect that Pattaya has the highest concentration of car and motorcycle ownership by foreigners in the country....and some of the worst foreign drivers.

Mostly drunk foreigners I suspect.  How else could you tolerate Pattaya the paradise by the sea, ha ha. 

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The only way to drive whilst living in Thailand is drive like a Thai, if you don't adapt you won't get anywhere and always remember the Thais will not change how they drive, you are the ones that has to change.

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People are very reluctant to change how they drive - that is what thee is only one answer - the is "Safe System". 

There is no alternative except a continuation of high deaths and injuries.

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On 10/20/2021 at 9:38 AM, LoongFred said:

OK if you say so. I haven't been there in many years and don't plan to go in many more. Although there are undoubtedly some good folks there are also a lot that I don't want to associate with(both Thai and falang).Bad driving is perhaps another reason.  To each his/her own.

it's not a matter of each/own...thre is a solution and it won't happen until the Tha authorities recognise that.

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6 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

The only way to drive whilst living in Thailand is drive like a Thai, if you don't adapt you won't get anywhere and always remember the Thais will not change how they drive, you are the ones that has to change.

Yup, I always drive better after 6 pints of Carlsberg Special Brew.

 

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16 minutes ago, Faraday said:

Yup, I always drive better after 6 pints of Carlsberg Special Brew.

Yes I love driving in Thailand (when my wife allows me) and I'm getting better at driving badly than the Thais and that's saying something, thinking seriously whether to get the mandatory 36" machete just so I can pass out as a honorary Thai driver.😀

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in any debate on motoring in Thailand people cite personal anecdote and single items as solutions

"Driving test"

Police enforcement"

Drunk driving etc.

the truth is NONE of this works unless it is part of a holistic policy that is "safe System".

Countries that have embraced this have death tolls under one tenth of that it Thailand and are heading towards ZERO

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