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45 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I totally agree with the sentiment of your comments. I’ve also said that I guess they need to at least try something. However (and it’s a big HOWEVER!).  The mocking and negativity seen on these forums I don’t think is based on the idea of trying something. It’s based on the utter nonsense spewed out daily by those in charge. Today I have read three articles on reopening in the BKK Post. Not one Thai commentator got it right. They all talked about foreigners being concerned about Covid, Or lack of spending power.  None came out and laid it bare and said:

We know that the additional restrictions such as the closure of many consulates across the world. The requirement for sometimes inefficient CoE applications. The high costs of PCR tests, the limitation on travel for 14 days and the expensive Covid health insurance are all keeping tourist numbers down. We as a government are continually looking to improve and remove these additional restrictions as soon as possible. We are working to develop a roadmap to return travel restriction fully back to how they were before the Covid pandemic. 
 

If just one person in TAT, government or regional hoteliers came out and said this, then I think 90% of the negativity would go away. It’s a reaction to our intelligence being insulted each and every day that causes the frustration. The same goes with the Covid case numbers and comments about vaccination and herd immunity. Just stop the BS and the negativity will stop.  

 

'The true test of another person's intelligence is how much they agree with you'

I live and die by the adage above, and clearly you are a smart dog! However, there is one point where I think we diverge.

I can't argue with your (bolded) comments from a mystery/fantasy TAT spokesman, but I would simply point out that we aren't the target audience (more on that below); the comments are directed towards potential tourists and that is why they are upbeat to the point of nausea. And, neither TAT nor Thailand is alone with this sort of nonsense; no country's tourist marketing campaign is particularly honest. Can you imagine Florida's equivalent of TAT saying things like "Come enjoy the beaches and the sun, but beware Meth-Heads deciding to adopt alligators and temporarily storing them in your hotel room". Or, a British campaign which said " Come see a thousand years of living history in London, but bring nine umbrellas, four raincoats and two sets of Wellies; you are going to need them!". Or perhaps a French marketing campaign which said "Visit our urbane and cultured cities, but be prepared to be looked down upon by arrogant waiters everywhere. Oh, and get used to seeing dog-shit." What about a Kiwi campaign? An Aussie campaign? A German campaign? What about a Russian campaign which said " Come visit the Motherland and see our patriotic pride and gorgeous women, but understand that we will hack your phone and take video of you when you sleep; Vladimir likes that.

I think I have offended enough nationalities for one day, so...

If I were a member of TAT (shudder!), I would continue their current marketing campaign aimed at people who don't know any better, but I would institute another aimed at getting ex-pats living in country to help; I have had numerous friends and acquaintances that I have met through the years write to me asking for information 'on the ground'. A smart TAT campaign would try to convince ex-pats (like most readers of this Forum) to advocate on behalf of Thailand and try to entice visitors; we would bring a unique credibility to the issue. I can't think of anything off the top of my head as to content (anyone?) and would be a wee bit wary even imagining that I worked for TAT, but it would be a logical secondary campaign if they ever removed their heads from their... er... rectal areas.

Just a thought.

 

 

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why do we have to have 3 pcr tests when you arrive in phuket/samui

day 3-5-10 if only hoiday for 14days  i would have to take another one on day 11 to travel back to uk

 at £180  for 3 in thailand + the ones i have to take in uk it is maddness when double vaccinated

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7 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

I visited Samui several months ago, and there were hardly any restrictions, and hardly any Covid. Now, there are heavy restrictions and more Covid. Wow. The restrictions are really working. Same applies to Phuket. 

You seem to be suggesting that because there were "hardly any restrictions" there was "hardly any Covid", but now "there are heavy restrictions" so there's "more Covid".

Where's the cause and effect?

Without it, it's got no more relevance than being down to my having had a haircut.

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1 hour ago, mr-tom said:

why do we have to have 3 pcr tests when you arrive in phuket/samui

day 3-5-10 if only hoiday for 14days  i would have to take another one on day 11 to travel back to uk

 at £180  for 3 in thailand + the ones i have to take in uk it is maddness when double vaccinated

mr-tom

Don't forget the £2k + for your quarantine when you return to UK 

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3 hours ago, Shade_Wilder said:

A smart TAT campaign would try to convince ex-pats (like most readers of this Forum) to advocate on behalf of Thailand and try to entice visitors; we would bring a unique credibility to the issue. I can't think of anything off the top of my head as to content (anyone?) and would be a wee bit wary even imagining that I worked for TAT, but it would be a logical secondary campaign if they ever removed their heads from their... er... rectal areas.

Just a thought.

Maybe, unless we're in the hotel / bar business,   many of us living here don't want more foreign tourists ...

Just a thought 😉

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8 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

I visited Samui several months ago, and there were hardly any restrictions, and hardly any Covid. Now, there are heavy restrictions and more Covid. Wow. The restrictions are really working. Same applies to Phuket. Just open the damn places up already. Enough with the Zombie Apocalypse. 

There were not many tests, too.

Now they test!

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6 hours ago, Shade_Wilder said:

'The true test of another person's intelligence is how much they agree with you'

I live and die by the adage above, and clearly you are a smart dog! However, there is one point where I think we diverge.

I can't argue with your (bolded) comments from a mystery/fantasy TAT spokesman, but I would simply point out that we aren't the target audience (more on that below); the comments are directed towards potential tourists and that is why they are upbeat to the point of nausea. And, neither TAT nor Thailand is alone with this sort of nonsense; no country's tourist marketing campaign is particularly honest. Can you imagine Florida's equivalent of TAT saying things like "Come enjoy the beaches and the sun, but beware Meth-Heads deciding to adopt alligators and temporarily storing them in your hotel room". Or, a British campaign which said " Come see a thousand years of living history in London, but bring nine umbrellas, four raincoats and two sets of Wellies; you are going to need them!". Or perhaps a French marketing campaign which said "Visit our urbane and cultured cities, but be prepared to be looked down upon by arrogant waiters everywhere. Oh, and get used to seeing dog-shit." What about a Kiwi campaign? An Aussie campaign? A German campaign? What about a Russian campaign which said " Come visit the Motherland and see our patriotic pride and gorgeous women, but understand that we will hack your phone and take video of you when you sleep; Vladimir likes that.

I think I have offended enough nationalities for one day, so...

If I were a member of TAT (shudder!), I would continue their current marketing campaign aimed at people who don't know any better, but I would institute another aimed at getting ex-pats living in country to help; I have had numerous friends and acquaintances that I have met through the years write to me asking for information 'on the ground'. A smart TAT campaign would try to convince ex-pats (like most readers of this Forum) to advocate on behalf of Thailand and try to entice visitors; we would bring a unique credibility to the issue. I can't think of anything off the top of my head as to content (anyone?) and would be a wee bit wary even imagining that I worked for TAT, but it would be a logical secondary campaign if they ever removed their heads from their... er... rectal areas.

Just a thought.

Yes some very well made points there and I take on board your points. I can accept the optimistic tripe coming out of TAT. They are after all trying to promote the tourism business. However, there is a time and place for such fantasy marketing chat, and trying to exit a global pandemic is not the time to do that. Right now, potential tourists and businesses are looking for certainty. They are looking for assurance and firm dates they can feel a high degree of confidence about. The way to build that confidence and trust, is to recognise the real concerns of your intended market. Even TAT should recognise that last minute changes to any travel plans is destructive in both the short and long term. 
 

Then we can move on to the other people I mentioned which is government ministers. They most certainly should be telling it how it is. Providing a degree of certainty and an air of being in control in order to show foreign investors the country is in good hands. If I was the CEO of an international hotel chain, I would want a plan that has a reasonable degree of being met in order for me to plan my own business. I would wish to plan what resources I need to keep in the short, medium and long term. What kind of discussion can you have with your shareholders when all you are getting is the kind of hopeful gibberish and out of touch nonsense coming out of Thai central government? 
 

Now is the time for a real assessment in where you are in the pandemic cycle. It is also the time to show you understand what is keeping tourist from visiting your country. To simply say it’s due to Covid is madness. If you believe the Thai government, there is less Covid on Thailand than there is in the majority of your top target countries, so why would Russians for example be concerned about Covid? 
  

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No vaccine requirement, no PCR test, no quarantine and no sandbox is the only answer. People can fly to other destinations with zero hassle. Why would they choose Thailand? I recently went to Albania where they have no restrictions, not even the face diaper is required, and the bodies weren't piling up in the streets. 

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14 hours ago, mr-tom said:

why do we have to have 3 pcr tests when you arrive in phuket/samui

day 3-5-10 if only hoiday for 14days  i would have to take another one on day 11 to travel back to uk

 at £180  for 3 in thailand + the ones i have to take in uk it is maddness when double vaccinated

mr-tom

Because vaccinated people can still get covid and give it to others, hence all the PCR tests for the vaccinated.

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4 minutes ago, Zool said:

Because vaccinated people can still get covid and give it to others, hence all the PCR tests for the vaccinated.

Except they are only doing the multiple tests for tourists. The ones least likely to be infected. 

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As an ex-pat domestic tourist I used to fly to Surat Thai, hire a car and take the ferry across to Samui. I’m fully vaccinated but my Thai girlfriend has heard nothing from the medical authorities and she has no idea when she will hear. We only used to go for 4-5 nights as did many other domestic ex-pat and Thai tourists but we contributed in our small way to tourist numbers. Now it’s totally impossible and these islands (and I include Phuket) must be mad to shut themselves off from domestic tourism when international arrivals are already barely registering on the scale. 

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On 9/9/2021 at 9:40 AM, TheDirtyDurian said:

Maybe one day they'll understand that people won't come to Thailand at any cost.

They have other choices!

It was a very poor thought out opening stratergy and more expensive than Phuket so why would you choose Samui when you can go to Phuket costing less money with less restrictions, its not rocket science!

Why is there still an alcohol ban in Samui restaurants, massage, spas, gyms all open but you cannot have a glass of wine or a beer with dinner, the people in decision making roles just don't get it do they and its suppose to be "Samui Plus" as an attractive destination for travellers, they wonder why!

I guess being government paid workers it makes little difference to them but do they ever stop and think of the consequences that business owners and the staff they employ have to go without because of their lack of ability to be able to think through the scenario of what is a Covid related liability and what is not. Unbelievable!!!

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19 hours ago, Soidog said:

I totally agree with the sentiment of your comments. I’ve also said that I guess they need to at least try something. However (and it’s a big HOWEVER!).  The mocking and negativity seen on these forums I don’t think is based on the idea of trying something. It’s based on the utter nonsense spewed out daily by those in charge. Today I have read three articles on reopening in the BKK Post. Not one Thai commentator got it right. They all talked about foreigners being concerned about Covid, Or lack of spending power.  None came out and laid it bare and said:

We know that the additional restrictions such as the closure of many consulates across the world. The requirement for sometimes inefficient CoE applications. The high costs of PCR tests, the limitation on travel for 14 days and the expensive Covid health insurance are all keeping tourist numbers down. We as a government are continually looking to improve and remove these additional restrictions as soon as possible. We are working to develop a roadmap to return travel restriction fully back to how they were before the Covid pandemic. 
 

If just one person in TAT, government or regional hoteliers came out and said this, then I think 90% of the negativity would go away. It’s a reaction to our intelligence being insulted each and every day that causes the frustration. The same goes with the Covid case numbers and comments about vaccination and herd immunity. Just stop the BS and the negativity will stop.  

Good point. But, that would lay bare the absolute nonsense, pertaining to the sandbox, and quarantine travel in general. Here is a note from my friend, who did the sandbox in Phuket, and what he had to go through to get here.

1) Apply for a visa
2) Apply for pre-approval for the Certificate of Entry (COE).
3) Meantime check flights and hotels - but don’t book because the visa or COE may not be approved, or in time.
4) Secure $100,000 of Covid-specific insurance. If you already have worldwide health insurance it doesn’t count unless it specifically states at least $100,000 just for Covid. Most policies are available online.
5) Make sure you have valid vaccine proof over 2 weeks old
6) Wait for pre-approval. Usually something is missing, so fix and resubmit
7) Meantime, start to worry about flights. Only 4-5 airlines are approved and fly direct to Phuket. You can’t transit via BKK. I had booked Turkish Airlines (part of Star Alliance) but they cancelled the Phuket flight 3 days before departure. I had to scramble to find another flight within 72 hours (the COE gives you 72 hours “cancel” time otherwise you have to resubmit!) I managed to find a good route on Etihad, but with long layovers.
8 ) After I submitted the pre-approval the official rules were published in the Royal Gazette - now you had to prove pre-payment for a 14 night stay, plus (surprise) pre-payment for 3 Covid tests in Phuket (flat rate of 8,000 baht for 3) one on arrival, one on day 6, last one on day 12. Positive - you’re off to a hospital, even if no symptoms. No self-quarantine!
9) Once you’re pre-approved, confirm and pay for the flights, hotel(s) and Covid tests. The hotel(s) send back an SHA+ approved booking confirmation form.
10) Get an RT PCR test within 72 hours of your first flight. I got one to match the Turkish Airlines flight. But had to get another because of their cancellation and rebooking with Etihad. Because of holidays (and hurricane Elsa reaching Florida) the testing labs shut down for 36 hours. So I had to buy an emergency 24 hour guaranteed test that cost $399!
11) I also had to book, cancel and rebook a “positioning” flight from my home in Jacksonville to Chicago, where the Etihad flight left from. Because of my baggage allowance with United (up to 3 @ 70lbs each) and other factors, I used them to go to Chicago. I had a long layover so I booked a “day-use” Marriott hotel (had to use cash - only $75 - but they upgraded me to a suite. I hung out there for 6 hours - showered and changed underwear and shirt - then back to O’Hare to check in with Etihad.
12) You must make copies of all documents. I made 2 of everything and bought plastic folders for each set and put everything in order. Plus extra copies of ones I thought they may keep - which they did!) Of course the print-heads on my multi-function printer crapped out (a technical term for not working 😊) so I made 4 runs to the local FedEx office to print and copy all the docs. Then 3 more after the flight change. Oh - that reminds me - meantime I had booked and paid for the hotels. So I had to change the bookings - which meant multiple calls to the hotels and new confirmations and another trip to my friends (now on “Hello Mr. ++++ - nice to see you again” terms!) at FedEx!
13) Not sure what number I’m on now - finally, the COE approval came 24 hours before departure. One final visit to FedEx to make multiple copies of the COE.
Next number - the journey itself went fine - just very long. 40 hours door-to-door!
14)Last number - in Abu Dhabi the Etihad people were really worried about my COE “72 hour” extension. They said if the paperwork wasn’t exact what the Thai officials want they get a big fine - and I can’t stay in Phuket. They took copies (Ha! That’s where the extra copies went!) and sent to Phuket for approval. Within 2 hours they got the approval.
 

The arrival process in Phuket is quite something, but very orderly. The flight to Abu Dhabi was 90% full. Because of my status I was greeted by a personal assistant in the pre-immigration Covid registration area. She helped me load the Morchana tracking app on my phone - yup, you’re tracked 24/7 for the 14 days (you also have to refresh the app every day and take a new selfie, plus have your temp checked). After that she escorted me thru immigration and made sure the official stamped my passport correctly (full year visa) and the escorted me to my waiting mini-van to the Four Points Sheraton. I was the only arrival with a personal assistant, so I think I got through to the van in record time - even with a stop to load a DTAC SIM into my phone (my US number uses the e-SIM on my phone, so both my US and Thai numbers are active- here I make the Thai number the primary).

There’s quite a bit more involved but I think I covered the main points.

 

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1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

Good point. But, that would lay bare the absolute nonsense, pertaining to the sandbox, and quarantine travel in general. Here is a note from my friend, who did the sandbox in Phuket, and what he had to go through to get here.

1) Apply for a visa
2) Apply for pre-approval for the Certificate of Entry (COE).
3) Meantime check flights and hotels - but don’t book because the visa or COE may not be approved, or in time.
4) Secure $100,000 of Covid-specific insurance. If you already have worldwide health insurance it doesn’t count unless it specifically states at least $100,000 just for Covid. Most policies are available online.
5) Make sure you have valid vaccine proof over 2 weeks old
6) Wait for pre-approval. Usually something is missing, so fix and resubmit
7) Meantime, start to worry about flights. Only 4-5 airlines are approved and fly direct to Phuket. You can’t transit via BKK. I had booked Turkish Airlines (part of Star Alliance) but they cancelled the Phuket flight 3 days before departure. I had to scramble to find another flight within 72 hours (the COE gives you 72 hours “cancel” time otherwise you have to resubmit!) I managed to find a good route on Etihad, but with long layovers.
8 ) After I submitted the pre-approval the official rules were published in the Royal Gazette - now you had to prove pre-payment for a 14 night stay, plus (surprise) pre-payment for 3 Covid tests in Phuket (flat rate of 8,000 baht for 3) one on arrival, one on day 6, last one on day 12. Positive - you’re off to a hospital, even if no symptoms. No self-quarantine!
9) Once you’re pre-approved, confirm and pay for the flights, hotel(s) and Covid tests. The hotel(s) send back an SHA+ approved booking confirmation form.
10) Get an RT PCR test within 72 hours of your first flight. I got one to match the Turkish Airlines flight. But had to get another because of their cancellation and rebooking with Etihad. Because of holidays (and hurricane Elsa reaching Florida) the testing labs shut down for 36 hours. So I had to buy an emergency 24 hour guaranteed test that cost $399!
11) I also had to book, cancel and rebook a “positioning” flight from my home in Jacksonville to Chicago, where the Etihad flight left from. Because of my baggage allowance with United (up to 3 @ 70lbs each) and other factors, I used them to go to Chicago. I had a long layover so I booked a “day-use” Marriott hotel (had to use cash - only $75 - but they upgraded me to a suite. I hung out there for 6 hours - showered and changed underwear and shirt - then back to O’Hare to check in with Etihad.
12) You must make copies of all documents. I made 2 of everything and bought plastic folders for each set and put everything in order. Plus extra copies of ones I thought they may keep - which they did!) Of course the print-heads on my multi-function printer crapped out (a technical term for not working 😊) so I made 4 runs to the local FedEx office to print and copy all the docs. Then 3 more after the flight change. Oh - that reminds me - meantime I had booked and paid for the hotels. So I had to change the bookings - which meant multiple calls to the hotels and new confirmations and another trip to my friends (now on “Hello Mr. ++++ - nice to see you again” terms!) at FedEx!
13) Not sure what number I’m on now - finally, the COE approval came 24 hours before departure. One final visit to FedEx to make multiple copies of the COE.
Next number - the journey itself went fine - just very long. 40 hours door-to-door!
14)Last number - in Abu Dhabi the Etihad people were really worried about my COE “72 hour” extension. They said if the paperwork wasn’t exact what the Thai officials want they get a big fine - and I can’t stay in Phuket. They took copies (Ha! That’s where the extra copies went!) and sent to Phuket for approval. Within 2 hours they got the approval.
 

The arrival process in Phuket is quite something, but very orderly. The flight to Abu Dhabi was 90% full. Because of my status I was greeted by a personal assistant in the pre-immigration Covid registration area. She helped me load the Morchana tracking app on my phone - yup, you’re tracked 24/7 for the 14 days (you also have to refresh the app every day and take a new selfie, plus have your temp checked). After that she escorted me thru immigration and made sure the official stamped my passport correctly (full year visa) and the escorted me to my waiting mini-van to the Four Points Sheraton. I was the only arrival with a personal assistant, so I think I got through to the van in record time - even with a stop to load a DTAC SIM into my phone (my US number uses the e-SIM on my phone, so both my US and Thai numbers are active- here I make the Thai number the primary).

There’s quite a bit more involved but I think I covered the main points.

 

 

You made a meal of it, but it is the easiest way into Thailand for someone wishing to stay longer term.

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3 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

There’s quite a bit more involved but I think I covered the main points.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so ridiculous. I have a very similar tale from a mate of mine that went back in March using ASQ. Simply horrendous what he went through. All counted, he thinks he spent an additional £3,250 more than he normally would do just to get home to Nong Kai. That doesn’t include flights. But included trips to clinics for PCR tests. Biggest cost was the ASQ in Bangkok, not a 5 star place by any imagination.

 

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8 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

Good point. But, that would lay bare the absolute nonsense, pertaining to the sandbox, and quarantine travel in general. Here is a note from my friend, who did the sandbox in Phuket, and what he had to go through to get here.

1) Apply for a visa
2) Apply for pre-approval for the Certificate of Entry (COE).
3) Meantime check flights and hotels - but don’t book because the visa or COE may not be approved, or in time.
4) Secure $100,000 of Covid-specific insurance. If you already have worldwide health insurance it doesn’t count unless it specifically states at least $100,000 just for Covid. Most policies are available online.
5) Make sure you have valid vaccine proof over 2 weeks old
6) Wait for pre-approval. Usually something is missing, so fix and resubmit
7) Meantime, start to worry about flights. Only 4-5 airlines are approved and fly direct to Phuket. You can’t transit via BKK. I had booked Turkish Airlines (part of Star Alliance) but they cancelled the Phuket flight 3 days before departure. I had to scramble to find another flight within 72 hours (the COE gives you 72 hours “cancel” time otherwise you have to resubmit!) I managed to find a good route on Etihad, but with long layovers.
8 ) After I submitted the pre-approval the official rules were published in the Royal Gazette - now you had to prove pre-payment for a 14 night stay, plus (surprise) pre-payment for 3 Covid tests in Phuket (flat rate of 8,000 baht for 3) one on arrival, one on day 6, last one on day 12. Positive - you’re off to a hospital, even if no symptoms. No self-quarantine!
9) Once you’re pre-approved, confirm and pay for the flights, hotel(s) and Covid tests. The hotel(s) send back an SHA+ approved booking confirmation form.
10) Get an RT PCR test within 72 hours of your first flight. I got one to match the Turkish Airlines flight. But had to get another because of their cancellation and rebooking with Etihad. Because of holidays (and hurricane Elsa reaching Florida) the testing labs shut down for 36 hours. So I had to buy an emergency 24 hour guaranteed test that cost $399!
11) I also had to book, cancel and rebook a “positioning” flight from my home in Jacksonville to Chicago, where the Etihad flight left from. Because of my baggage allowance with United (up to 3 @ 70lbs each) and other factors, I used them to go to Chicago. I had a long layover so I booked a “day-use” Marriott hotel (had to use cash - only $75 - but they upgraded me to a suite. I hung out there for 6 hours - showered and changed underwear and shirt - then back to O’Hare to check in with Etihad.
12) You must make copies of all documents. I made 2 of everything and bought plastic folders for each set and put everything in order. Plus extra copies of ones I thought they may keep - which they did!) Of course the print-heads on my multi-function printer crapped out (a technical term for not working 😊) so I made 4 runs to the local FedEx office to print and copy all the docs. Then 3 more after the flight change. Oh - that reminds me - meantime I had booked and paid for the hotels. So I had to change the bookings - which meant multiple calls to the hotels and new confirmations and another trip to my friends (now on “Hello Mr. ++++ - nice to see you again” terms!) at FedEx!
13) Not sure what number I’m on now - finally, the COE approval came 24 hours before departure. One final visit to FedEx to make multiple copies of the COE.
Next number - the journey itself went fine - just very long. 40 hours door-to-door!
14)Last number - in Abu Dhabi the Etihad people were really worried about my COE “72 hour” extension. They said if the paperwork wasn’t exact what the Thai officials want they get a big fine - and I can’t stay in Phuket. They took copies (Ha! That’s where the extra copies went!) and sent to Phuket for approval. Within 2 hours they got the approval.
 

The arrival process in Phuket is quite something, but very orderly. The flight to Abu Dhabi was 90% full. Because of my status I was greeted by a personal assistant in the pre-immigration Covid registration area. She helped me load the Morchana tracking app on my phone - yup, you’re tracked 24/7 for the 14 days (you also have to refresh the app every day and take a new selfie, plus have your temp checked). After that she escorted me thru immigration and made sure the official stamped my passport correctly (full year visa) and the escorted me to my waiting mini-van to the Four Points Sheraton. I was the only arrival with a personal assistant, so I think I got through to the van in record time - even with a stop to load a DTAC SIM into my phone (my US number uses the e-SIM on my phone, so both my US and Thai numbers are active- here I make the Thai number the primary).

There’s quite a bit more involved but I think I covered the main points.

Given the dismal job by Thai tourism maybe they should privatise it to a professional travel orientated company as these guys are just oxygen thieves!!!

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16 hours ago, Paulw said:

Given the dismal job by Thai tourism maybe they should privatise it to a professional travel orientated company as these guys are just oxygen thieves!!!

I agree. There are definitive lines in this life, that once you step over them, you have essentially self-revoked your right to consume oxygen. I can think of many here who that applies to. 

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