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1 hour ago, Bob20 said:

Learning 🤣🤭😉

The problem is that it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ignore the nut-jobs and they can post their garbage unchallenged and someone will believe them - that's how most of them started.

Respond and you encourage them and give them the attention they want so they can feel as if they're fighting the good fight.

There's no good solution, which is why everyone suffers as lockdowns and mask wearing gets dragged out and people suffer and die in part because of them, unless posts which are verifiably and clearly "fake news" and those constantly making them are removed.

The problem is that isn't happening here although it's increasingly happening elsewhere, so those pushed out are increasingly coming here.  Whether that's because of a blind belief in freedom of speech even if it kills people, old loyalties, financial expediency, or sheer ignorance, I'm in no position to guess.

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9 minutes ago, panhunger said:

No reason to insist on younger, healthy people take them. 

Agreed.

No reason to "insist" anyone takes them - plenty of reasons to encourage everyone to do so, though.

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12 minutes ago, panhunger said:

Natural immunity is far stronger than vaccines.

There are credible studies demonstrating this.

Vaccine protection wanes in the months after the shot. The vaccines are not without risks but older and unhealthy people should definitely take them. No reason to insist on younger, healthy people take them. 

Vaccine passports will not persist. Here today, gone tomorrow. Thank God. 

Great post and no surprise that the immunity debate rumbles on. Let's hope your 'tomorrow' will bring a 'gone' to everything Covid-related.   And this, your debut post, too, so thanks for that!

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26 minutes ago, Thaichris said:

This statement is totally misleading. And you quote no research - here is the NIH research 10 months ago showing immunity is still strong after 8 months - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

and the Israel research showed Natural immunity was 13 times greater than protection from the vaccine. Even on Delta.

Nothing misleading. Most research finds natural immunity to COVID19 from periods of 3 to 8 months. I quote the average, you quote the extreme.

The rest you mention was not in my post... it's just argumentative.

I am never convinced by any one paper you find online, but by consensus. If 99 scientists stand for evidence A and 1 stands for evidence B, you are free to stand with group B. I don't, but you can.

For the rest the matter is closed, as I'm not going to argue the principle of consensus with someone who has his own "beliefs".

It is a fact that there is no permanent natural immunity to Covid19 and that is why vaccination of previously infected individuals is recommended.

And that was the topic here.

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1 hour ago, atiger said:

The biggest risk factor for covid is obesity and anxiety. The government should be focusing on fixing these underlying health conditions.

And what would you suggest they do? Give us some examples that would not get people jumping up and down like anti vaxxers Yelling Freedom! 

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3 hours ago, Bob20 said:

Well, that is the whole problem.

After you have been infected with COVID-19 your natural immunity doesn't last a lifetime. Research shows that it lasts approx. 6 months and not necessarily against other strains than the one that you were initially infected with.

And here’s the research on  the Pfizer vaccine - Indeed, Israeli data show Pfizer’s shot went from a 95% effectiveness at the outset, to 64% in early July 2021 and 39% by late July, when the Delta strain became predominant

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15 minutes ago, King Cotton said:

Great post and no surprise that the immunity debate rumbles on. Let's hope your 'tomorrow' will bring a 'gone' to everything Covid-related.   And this, your debut post, too, so thanks for that!

Hello, panhunger and welcome to Thaiger Talk

Please feel free to tell us a bit about yourself in 'Introductions'. It's good to pick-up on those sometimes differing regional or geographical perspectives.

And check-out the Guidelines, too, when you get a free minute. They're there to help us all enjoy our time here.       https://thethaiger.com/forum-guidelines-and-rules

Happy posting

King Cotton

Thank you. 

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22 minutes ago, Thaichris said:

This statement is totally misleading. And you quote no research - here is the NIH research 10 months ago showing immunity is still strong after 8 months - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

and the Israel research showed Natural immunity was 13 times greater than protection from the vaccine. Even on Delta.

And yours is at least equally misleading.

This is the Israeli research you're referencing:

https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415

It doesn't show what you say.

It showed that for some and not for others, some better, some worse, and that immunity was not "still strong after 8 months" as previously thought but was waning.

It also showed that the best protection was from prior infection followed by vaccination and that protection was the same following infection whether you'd been vaccinated or not, so that only a moron would choose to be infected without being vaccinated given the additional protection vaccination gives from death or serious illness.

Although it's being held up by the anti-vax brigade as not supporting vaccination, and that's what the appallingly badly written and researched article here suggested, it actually comes to the opposite conclusion:

that vaccinations are vital and highly effective, not just for those un-infected but also for those who've had Covid and have some natural immunity.

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11 minutes ago, Thaichris said:

And here’s the research on  the Pfizer vaccine - Indeed, Israeli data show Pfizer’s shot went from a 95% effectiveness at the outset, to 64% in early July 2021 and 39% by late July, when the Delta strain became predominant

And I can send you a photo that the sun shines here.

That has the same relevance to the topic at hand as your statement.

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2 hours ago, Bob20 said:

Suffices to give you one example that you can quickly look up and verify:

The Hepatitis B virus. And it's vaccines. And the following non-lifelong protection. Hence its regular boosters.

 

This is not true, and yes a simple google search shows you they only do boosters for Hep B in special cases.

https://www.hepb.org/prevention-and-diagnosis/vaccination/

It's three shots and you are done unless you have some weird issue. I am not anti covid vax, just anti mandatory vax and pushing it on people. I may take it in two years time after they tweak it to deal with whatever variant is the main one then. I already heard one pharma company say they would need at least 6 months to modify the vax for the new variant, then get it into production, shipping etc.

Still not sure why so many people are willing to simp for big pharma and the gov't. Neither have great track records.

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