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The Real Reason Americans Call It 'Soccer' Is All England's Fault

While calling the world's most popular sport "soccer" is typically depicted as a symbol of American ignorance, the reason we don't call it "football" like the rest of the world is Britain's fault.

 

The word "soccer" is a British invention that British people stopped using only about 30 years ago, according to a new paper by University of Michigan professor Stefan Szymanski.

The word "soccer" comes from the use of the term "association football" in Britain and goes back 200 years.

In the early 1800s, a bunch of British universities took "football" — a medieval game — and started playing their own versions of it, all under different rules. To standardize things across the country, these games were categorized under different organizations with different names.

One variant of the game you played with your hands became "rugby football." Another variant came to be known as "association football" after the Football Association formed to promote the game in 1863, 15 years after the rules were made at Cambridge.

 

"Rugby football" became "rugger" for short. "Association football" became "soccer."

After these two sports spread across the Atlantic, Americans invented their own variant of the game that they simply called "football" in the early 1900s.

"Association football" became "soccer" in America, and what was called "gridiron" in Britain became simply "football" in America.

The interesting thing here is that Brits still used "soccer" regularly for a huge chunk of the 20th century. Between 1960 and 1980, "soccer" and "football" were "almost interchangeable" in Britain, Szymanski found.

 

Then everything changed (via Szymanski):

"Since 1980 the usage of the word 'soccer' has declined in British publications, and where it is used, it usually refers to an American context. This decline seems to be a reaction against the increased usage in the US which seems to be associated with the highpoint of the NASL around 1980."

British people stopped saying "soccer" because of its American connotations.

So, no, it's not wrong to call it "soccer" if you're American.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-americans-call-it-soccer-2014-6

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

The Real Reason Americans Call It 'Soccer' Is All England's Fault

While calling the world's most popular sport "soccer" is typically depicted as a symbol of American ignorance, the reason we don't call it "football" like the rest of the world is Britain's fault.

The word "soccer" is a British invention that British people stopped using only about 30 years ago, according to a new paper by University of Michigan professor Stefan Szymanski.

The word "soccer" comes from the use of the term "association football" in Britain and goes back 200 years.

In the early 1800s, a bunch of British universities took "football" — a medieval game — and started playing their own versions of it, all under different rules. To standardize things across the country, these games were categorized under different organizations with different names.

One variant of the game you played with your hands became "rugby football." Another variant came to be known as "association football" after the Football Association formed to promote the game in 1863, 15 years after the rules were made at Cambridge.

"Rugby football" became "rugger" for short. "Association football" became "soccer."

After these two sports spread across the Atlantic, Americans invented their own variant of the game that they simply called "football" in the early 1900s.

"Association football" became "soccer" in America, and what was called "gridiron" in Britain became simply "football" in America.

The interesting thing here is that Brits still used "soccer" regularly for a huge chunk of the 20th century. Between 1960 and 1980, "soccer" and "football" were "almost interchangeable" in Britain, Szymanski found.

Then everything changed (via Szymanski):

"Since 1980 the usage of the word 'soccer' has declined in British publications, and where it is used, it usually refers to an American context. This decline seems to be a reaction against the increased usage in the US which seems to be associated with the highpoint of the NASL around 1980."

British people stopped saying "soccer" because of its American connotations.

So, no, it's not wrong to call it "soccer" if you're American.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-americans-call-it-soccer-2014-6

Ah-so! . . . Thanks for that rational expose of the soccer 'thing'. Most interesting!

And, in 2-hrs time, all proper footie fans will be tuned into the Liverpool vs Burnley game. A tough ask for Burnley and maybe a few bruised shins for Liverpool, but that's how English 'football' goes!

Thanks again!

KC

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When I saw the title of this thread I was sure that it was going to be filled with blowhard Brits, "It's not soccer, it's football." And I was getting ready to inform them exactly of what your original post was WaccineChinawatiiRaporn.

Well posted...good to keep the ignorant informed.

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Yes sir!

I see a lot of people making comments about how stupid saying "soccer" is but I never knew the origin.
 

The interesting thing here is that Brits still used "soccer" regularly for a huge chunk of the 20th century. Between 1960 and 1980, "soccer" and "football" were "almost interchangeable" in Britain . . .

I couldn't believe that!

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Socceroos & Ruggers...man that is some good trivia info!

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English complain when Americans call it soccer but yet Sky Sports cover all the games on Saturday on "Soccer Saturday" 😄

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4 minutes ago, Scribble said:

English complain when Americans call it soccer but yet Sky Sports cover all the games on Saturday on "Soccer Saturday" 😄

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Who are the English people  that complain about Americans calling the game Soccer ?

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16 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Who are the English people  that complain about Americans calling the game Soccer ?

A good point plus when I was at school we had rugby ( which I hated ) and soccer. The timetable listed it as soccer, the PE teacher said it was a soccer afternoon yet when we got out the teacher and us all referred to it as playing football, go figure that one out. And by the way it was only an ordinary school.

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On 8/21/2021 at 9:07 AM, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

The Real Reason Americans Call It 'Soccer' Is All England's Fault

 

The word "soccer" comes from the use of the term "association football" in Britain and goes back 200 years.

 

That raises the question that if the names derives from Association Football, and the Football Association wasn't founded until 1863, why people were apparently calling it "soccer" 40 years prior to this?

As for the claim that "soccer" was in regular use until the 60's and was interchangeable with "football", that's not my recollection. Whenever I heard the word, it was usually coming from men on TV who had been privately educated in schools where both football and rugby was played. Also the claim that "rugger" was a shorthand for "rugby football" does not gel with my memory of the times. We just called it "rugby". It was again, a case of those who were privileged enough to be privately educated who called it "rugger".

I accept that the explanation about Association Football is correct, but in this case, the learned Professor has made some of his facts fit the narrative that he is trying to deliver.

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17 hours ago, Fluke said:

Who are the English people  that complain about Americans calling the game Soccer ?

The amount of times I've heard, "it's not soccer it's football" "we use our feet" "how can you call yours football when you throw it most of the time" etc etc. Zzzz 

Almost as often as the Marmite Vs Vegemite debate with Australians

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2 minutes ago, Scribble said:

The amount of times I've heard, "it's not soccer it's football" "we use our feet" "how can you call yours football when you throw it most of the time" etc etc. Zzzz 

Almost as often as the Marmite Vs Vegemite debate with Australians

Yeah but Vegemite is horrible, innit? Gritty.

 

On 8/21/2021 at 4:07 PM, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

new paper by University of Michigan professor Stefan Szymanski.

Obviously the man to ask, eh? Whatever we want to call it, we will. We were playing it while you lot were slaughtering buffaloes and running around in loin cloths.

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22 minutes ago, Scribble said:

The amount of times I've heard, "it's not soccer it's football" "we use our feet" "how can you call yours football when you throw it most of the time" etc etc. Zzzz 

Almost as often as the Marmite Vs Vegemite debate with Australians

Oh man, I've heard this many times. It's a standard low hanging snide comment to make about Americans but I didn't know the word was actually invented & commonly used in England years ago. They definitely don't like the light being shown on this.

Some of these bloody c*nts are more offended by the word 'soccer' than the fact that the church they married their 2nd wife in is now a hate preacher mosque.

Some of these cheeky little buggers are more offended by the word 'soccer' than the English breakfast going up in price 20 Baht on 2nd Road.

Some of these little wankers are more offended by the word 'soccer' than people not forming a proper queue at bloody Udon Thani immigration.

Some of these bloody little blokies are more offended by the name 'soccer' than MooooHammad being the most popular baby name in the UK.


And why the hell are soccer players kneeling for the national anthem in Europe? I mean do they even have to copy the stupid BLM stuff from American too. Bloody bonkers!

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16 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Yeah but Vegemite is horrible, innit? Gritty.

Obviously the man to ask, eh? Whatever we want to call it, we will. We were playing it while you lot were slaughtering buffaloes and running around in loin cloths.

around the same time electricity & the airplane was invented ya mean?

go get ya shine box

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Firstly, can't allow that sledge to stand! Vegemite is waaayyyy better than Marmite! But being an Australian born to an English father (rest his soul), we did try both.

Dad used to call "Football" grudgingly Soccer, but only so we new which code of "Football" we were talking about. Dad used to kick the soccer ball around with me and I was allowed to stay up and watch the FA Cup final when growing up. We also did the "Soccer" Pools together, when they were based on the win/draw/loss results!

But later on I played Aussie Rules and Rugby Union. We both loved watching Rugby League together when Dad was on the right shift with work. So following 4 codes of "football" type sport was confusing when somebody just used the word Football. 😁

Dad used to say that any game where players do other things with ball than kick it, can't be called football, so only Soccer could. That was until Mum pointed out that Socccer players also use their heads to score a goal or to move the ball around.

For some reason, I don't recall Dad mentioning that phrase again. As always, it seems Mum ruled over everything in the real end! 😀

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29 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

Oh man, I've heard this many times. It's a standard low hanging snide comment to make about Americans but I didn't know the word was actually invented & commonly used in England years ago. They definitely don't like the light being shown on this.

Some of these bloody c*nts are more offended by the word 'soccer' than the fact that the church they married their 2nd wife in is now a hate preacher mosque.

Some of these cheeky little buggers are more offended by the word 'soccer' than the English breakfast going up in price 20 Baht on 2nd Road.

Some of these little wankers are more offended by the word 'soccer' than people not forming a proper queue at bloody Udon Thani immigration.

Some of these bloody little blokies are more offended by the name 'soccer' than MooooHammad being the most popular baby name in the UK.


And why the hell are soccer players kneeling for the national anthem in Europe? I mean do they even have to copy the stupid BLM stuff from American too. Bloody bonkers!

Although no ones really offended by it . 

Americans should call Netball by its real name, rather than calling it basketball and they should call Rounders by its real name , rather than calling it Baseball .

   (And BTW , it maybe a good idea to stop using foul language)

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11 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Although no ones really offended by it . 

Americans should call Netball by its real name, rather than calling it basketball and they should call Rounders by its real name , rather than calling it Baseball .

   (And BTW , it maybe a good idea to stop using foul language)

Only ironical name is (American) football.

Foul language, like what? Bloke, wanker, bloody? I thought that was common.

Can't go anywhere without someone trying to censor speech. Snitch



 

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23 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

Only ironical name is (American) football.

Foul language, like what? Bloke, wanker, bloody? I thought that was common.

Can't go anywhere without someone trying to censor speech. Snitch



 

Yes, no one wants to sit and read swear words and if it continues , the site may bring in measures to stop it . 

  Well yes it is common, common as in being low class

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1 hour ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

around the same time electricity & the airplane was invented ya mean?

go get ya shine box

In English please, I know you aren't a native speaker, but make an effort please.

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3 minutes ago, Poolie said:

In English please, I know you aren't a native speaker, but make an effort please.

Boring, lazy, grammar argument made by someone who has nothing to say worth reading, just little one line snarky half sentences. Will not address this with anything clever.



 

 

16 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Yes, no one wants to sit and read swear words and it it continues , the site may bring in measures to stop it . 

  Well yes it is common, common as in being low class

And you are just angry about the topic and want to shut it and me down. You do not care one tenth of one percent about the 'swear' words.

Never understand why some guys who complain about things like this, at least guys who grew up before the PC cancel culture madness started.

You boys get back to Googling how to cover your bald spots up without people noticing.
 

Statement from my 'lawyer'....

Mr. Waccine would like to apologize to all of the bl*kes he offended with his bl00dy low class language. He now understands that saying the word 's*ccer' can trigger extreme emotional responses from certain segments of the public. Certain segments of the public who have used this word 's*ccer' to insinuate their American and Australian allies are not intelligent enough to understand the complex and nuanced game of which they blatantly and incorrectly name to this day. We understand ridiculing people who use the emotionally triggering word is also used by some as a crutch to mask their inferiority complex and who wish nothing more than to bury the origins of this word in the annals of history. This deeply hurtful and insensitive word shall no longer be used in polite society, including but not limited to messages boards in Thailand, by Mr. Waccine. Kor tort maak krap.

The 'lawyer'

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3 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

Boring, lazy, grammar argument made by someone who has nothing to say worth reading, just little one line snarky half sentences. Will not address this with anything clever.



 

And you are just angry about the topic and want to shut it and me down. You do not care one tenth of one percent about the 'swear' words.

Never understand why some guys who complain about things like this, at least guys who grew up before the PC cancel culture madness started.

You boys get back to Googling how to cover your bald spots up without people noticing.
 

Statement from my 'lawyer'....

Mr. Waccine would like to apologize to all of the bl*kes he offended with his bl00dy low class language. He now understands that saying the word 's*ccer' can trigger extreme emotional responses from certain segments of the public. Certain segments of the public who have used this word 's*ccer' to insinuate their American and Australian allies are not intelligent enough to understand the complex and nuanced game of which they blatantly and incorrectly name to this day. We understand ridiculing people who use the emotionally triggering word is also used by some as a crutch to mask their inferiority complex and who wish nothing more than to bury the origins of this word in the annals of history. This deeply hurtful and insensitive word shall no longer be used in polite society, including but not limited to messages boards in Thailand, by Mr. Waccine. Kor tort maak krap.

The 'lawyer'

You do seem to specialise in over reacting . 

I am not angry , I dont want this thread to be shut down , I am not going bald , I am not P.C and you can say the word "soccer" .

   I just think that it would be better if people used more descriptive words rather  than "w*anker" & "c*nts" 

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On 8/21/2021 at 3:07 PM, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

So, no, it's not wrong to call it "soccer" if you're American.

Ok good, nothing like 90 plus minutes of 1-0 to get me going!

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23 hours ago, Fluke said:

Who are the English people  that complain about Americans calling the game Soccer ?

Not sure, but if I have trouble sleeping, I always turn a match on.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ🤣

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8 minutes ago, GMoney2312 said:

Not sure, but if I have trouble sleeping, I always turn a match on.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ🤣

My team is  Norwich City, guaranteed to get you counting sheep before half time on current form 😆

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4 hours ago, GMoney2312 said:

Not sure, but if I have trouble sleeping, I always turn a match on.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ🤣

What's gonna be the pitching rotation for the Astros come playoff time?

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