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3 hours ago, Fundok said:

Both my wife & I got three BionTech shots (the 3rd one in Dec 2021/Jan 2022), and both of us got Omikron last month. Did feel like a very nasty flu, for a few days my sense of smell was completely gone, but after 10 days it was practically gone. According to the rules in Switzerland I didn't report to the hospital because of only mild symptoms. Stayed at home and worked from there and even flew to Thailand end April.

So from my own experience I cannot understand why there is still a general mask mandate in Thailand, and why other Covid-restrictions are still in place. Just get over it, let everyone get their Omikron infection which eventually will serve as another booster shot. Covid is there to stay so let's get over it the sooner the better. Will there be a slight increase in Covid-related deaths? Probably yes, but year after year tens of thousands die of the flu virus every year in Europe, so sadly, this is part of life. Even China will come to understand that their "Zero-Covid" strategy is doomed to fail in the long run.

So I hope that the sooner the better Thailand will take a more relaxed (and pragmatic) stance with regards to Covid to allow everyone to recover from the economic hardship of the last two years.

I guess you are both in the older age? Am I right? I find it amazing that although triple vaccinated, you still get as you describe "a very nasty flu"? But less if you are in the older age as it is this group that suffers and still will suffer from covid. And that leads to say that those vaccines are not very efficient, saving some lives sure (which is great obviously) but not offering much protection against the disease and quasi 0 immunity. Vaccines as for everything else, some are good, some not so much.

I got my 2nd dose of Astra Zeneca on 26 September last year. According to the UK vaccine surveillance report dated March 10 this year on vaccine effectiveness...

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After 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, vaccine effectiveness against the
Omicron variant starts at 45 to 50% then drops to almost no effect from 20 weeks after the second dose.

Sourcehttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1060787/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_10.pdf

End of February (22 weeks after my second dose) I caught Omicron here in Thailand (there came my natural boost as I was not prepared to get another vaccine anyway). I would describe it as an average cold, certainly not a very nasty flu (I think most people do not know what the flu is and mixing up with the cold). Fever one night, sniffy nose and headaches for 3 days and tired for a week, that's it. A friend of mine got it at the same time, exact same symptoms, roughly same age and health as me... he is not vaccinated for covid. Dozens where I live had it between January and end of March, some with similar symptoms, some just tested positive but nothing, some had symptoms but never tested themselves but with so many around being positive, it was kind of obvious most of them had it too.

I know it is hard for some, but this pandemic is over. It is time to stop taking any notice of all these articles saying this and that, about scientific studies that we are not qualify to read and understand in the first place. Nor to understand who make these studies, if they have conflict of interests or not. Simply look what is happening around you and make your own opinion based on this, and then simply use your individual common sense. Well as we have always done since the beggining of humanity...

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1 hour ago, Manu said:

I guess you are both in the older age? Am I right? I find it amazing that although triple vaccinated, you still get as you describe "a very nasty flu"? But less if you are in the older age as it is this group that suffers and still will suffer from covid. And that leads to say that those vaccines are not very efficient, saving some lives sure (which is great obviously) but not offering much protection against the disease and quasi 0 immunity. Vaccines as for everything else, some are good, some not so much.

I got my 2nd dose of Astra Zeneca on 26 September last year. According to the UK vaccine surveillance report dated March 10 this year on vaccine effectiveness...

Sourcehttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1060787/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_10.pdf

End of February (22 weeks after my second dose) I caught Omicron here in Thailand (there came my natural boost as I was not prepared to get another vaccine anyway). I would describe it as an average cold, certainly not a very nasty flu (I think most people do not know what the flu is and mixing up with the cold). Fever one night, sniffy nose and headaches for 3 days and tired for a week, that's it. A friend of mine got it at the same time, exact same symptoms, roughly same age and health as me... he is not vaccinated for covid. Dozens where I live had it between January and end of March, some with similar symptoms, some just tested positive but nothing, some had symptoms but never tested themselves but with so many around being positive, it was kind of obvious most of them had it too.

I know it is hard for some, but this pandemic is over. It is time to stop taking any notice of all these articles saying this and that, about scientific studies that we are not qualify to read and understand in the first place. Nor to understand who make these studies, if they have conflict of interests or not. Simply look what is happening around you and make your own opinion based on this, and then simply use your individual common sense. Well as we have always done since the beggining of humanity...

Stop reading articles like your post, words written by your medical qualifications in what.... ...?

The jab does NOT stop you getting Covid, it helps you survive it, that is the point of having the jab.🥴

Perhaps you were lax in Covid prevention, because you are so fit, eh.  🤭  

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Awhile ago they would’ve told you that getting vaccinated would stop you getting it completely!

The USA has a history of commissioning a study to produce a result already predetermined. Moving goalposts with the aim of milking more money out of this

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5 hours ago, Smithydog said:

Or not depending on the study you read. Like this one indicating the protection may not be as good as thought.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201607

The reality is that this is something we all are making choices on how we live with it and researchers are investigating for hopefully greater long term understanding, along with the development of better vaccines, medications and treatments.

All should be studied the same way and not subject to the ridiculous social media chat or the often politically biased media discussions we saw in the past. 

Or if you like, Pfizer fades after a few weeks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/05/13/pfizers-covid-vaccine-protection-against-omicron-fades-just-weeks-after-second-and-third-doses-study-finds/?sh=6305184a32af

 

Where's the benefit in getting billions of spikes injected into you that only works for a few weeks?  Spikes and LNPs have been shown to not beneficial for health to put it mildly.

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3 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

I've been called conspiracy theorist by people like you lol.

Because you are. If it walks like a duck. Sounds like a duck. Looks like a duck then chances are its a duck.

Or is that thinking to logical for you?

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

Masks are good not to get covid is wrong. They are worn by surgeons to protect the patient from getting anything from the doctor in their wound. It does the same with Covid. You protect others from getting anything from you if you wear a mask.

Masks do prevent cross infection. Not 100% protection but they help. So thats still true.

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

Vaccines.... Well, check the article. 

We did. I have to ask did you? You are claiming this article is somehow wrong but providing no evidence to prove that.

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

accines, boosters, masks, alcohol gel are the only way to survive Covid.

What? These things are in place to protect the vulnerable in society. Where has anyone ever said they are the ONLY way to survive covid? Please give details.

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

By now it's common knowledge that other medicines are able to cure it too.

Like Ivermectin? There is not a single peer reviewed clinical trial which supports this. There are many, from the most respected medical bodies on the planet which show it does not. But do not let me stop you. If you want to take it then wire in. You may also consider bleach, deadly nightshade or licking toads at midnight. 

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

They even went so far that they edited a video of Joe Rogan with a filter to make him look sick, just to prove he was wrong about what you guys would call 'horse paste'. 😂

I have no idea what you are talking about. You need to link this.

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

Also, enough exercise, taking vitamins, go out in the sun, eating healthy, all can benefit against Covid. What was the first thing they did? Close gyms, close the beach, where the sun shines, close parks, long story short, made every wrong decision possible. 

No they didn't. You could still walk in the park just not with others. You could still buy vitamins (vitamin D is advisable in the northern hemisphere during winter by most national health boards). They did close gyms given they are INDOOR locations where people are breathing heavily and in close contact. Thats logical thinking.

4 hours ago, DiJoDavO said:

But hey, keep clutching to those 'facts' you hear in the news. 🤪

Keep clutching those conspiracy theories propagated by people who need your financial support and tell you what you want to hear.

But lets have a look at the covid conspiracy theories which have been debunked.

Covid is fake.

Covid is caused by 5G transmitters.

The vaccine has a microchip in it.

The vaccine kills healthy people like athletes.

The US military imported the virus into China.

GMO crops caused covid.

Covid is a plot by big pharma. 

Covid death rates are fake.

Those are just off the top of my head. There are many many more.

You keep up that logical thinking though. Its obviously working out well for you guys. 

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4 hours ago, JJJ said:

Exactly. There is no long term strategy to prevent a covid infection. Mitigation strategies only delay infection. To the extent someone has a controllable comorbidity like obesity lose weight. 

As far as I know Thailand has done nothing to assess the proportion of the population with previous infections. It’s kind of an important number to know. Instead they debate over the meaning of endemic.

Im in Singapore for work now. Changi airport was mobbed but you could hear a pin drop at Survanabhumi.  It is so nice not wearing a pointless mask outside.

A lot of Europeans and Americans aren’t going to visit Thailand if they have to wear a mask.  

 Very Few Thai or Farang wearing masks in SW Phuket ( Tourist Areas). 
Local Thais suddenly stopped or reduced this since 1 May or so. 
Only Govt. Hospitals / Offices are strict now it seems. 
Everybody now here has either got Omicron by now …. or not.

Deaths & Cases Falling significantly. 

Whats the point of masking anymore ? Even in hospitals ? 
Govt may scrap it 1June  when ending pandemic emergency perhaps ? 

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2 hours ago, Manu said:

I guess you are both in the older age? Am I right? I find it amazing that although triple vaccinated, you still get as you describe "a very nasty flu"? But less if you are in the older age as it is this group that suffers and still will suffer from covid. And that leads to say that those vaccines are not very efficient, saving some lives sure (which is great obviously) but not offering much protection against the disease and quasi 0 immunity. Vaccines as for everything else, some are good, some not so much.

I got my 2nd dose of Astra Zeneca on 26 September last year. According to the UK vaccine surveillance report dated March 10 this year on vaccine effectiveness...

Sourcehttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1060787/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_10.pdf

End of February (22 weeks after my second dose) I caught Omicron here in Thailand (there came my natural boost as I was not prepared to get another vaccine anyway). I would describe it as an average cold, certainly not a very nasty flu (I think most people do not know what the flu is and mixing up with the cold). Fever one night, sniffy nose and headaches for 3 days and tired for a week, that's it. A friend of mine got it at the same time, exact same symptoms, roughly same age and health as me... he is not vaccinated for covid. Dozens where I live had it between January and end of March, some with similar symptoms, some just tested positive but nothing, some had symptoms but never tested themselves but with so many around being positive, it was kind of obvious most of them had it too.

I know it is hard for some, but this pandemic is over. It is time to stop taking any notice of all these articles saying this and that, about scientific studies that we are not qualify to read and understand in the first place. Nor to understand who make these studies, if they have conflict of interests or not. Simply look what is happening around you and make your own opinion based on this, and then simply use your individual common sense. Well as we have always done since the beggining of humanity...

Omicron is far less serious than the delta variant. Those vaccines protected you from delta.

Be grateful.

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55 minutes ago, Cg66 said:

The USA has a history of commissioning a study to produce a result already predetermined. Moving goalposts with the aim of milking more money out of this

There is a whole branch of mathematics dedicated to this, it is called statistics. It is not just the US - more than once I have witnessed qualified statisticians (often qualified to MSc and PhD level) deliberately come up with the "desired" but obviously wrong result.   

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Just read one of those studies (*). It's quite heavy, but here's my attempt to condense it into 2 sentences (no disrespect meant to the authors):

  • An Omicron-infection does a better job at fending of some Covid-variants (5 were considered) than the vaccine does.
  • A combination of the two is measurably (albeit not by a whole lot) better than just one of them.

That's by no means surprising and the logical conclusion is that that getting vaccinated (first) and then contracting Omicron (next) is most effective. The key question (left unanswered) is whether or not it is worthwhile to have a vaccine tailored for Omicron. My (very tentative) guess is that it's not.

(*) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.05.08.491108v1.full.pdf

 

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20 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

There is a whole branch of mathematics dedicated to this, it is called statistics. It is not just the US - more than once I have witnessed qualified statisticians (often qualified to MSc and PhD level) deliberately come up with the "desired" but obviously wrong result.   

'Statistics' is just a mathematical,  academic  form of institutionalized, delusional lying; intended to convince yourself and the rest of the gullible world, of something that is probably not true, but might be true, was true  at a moment in time,  but impossible to actually verify, and doesn't matter anyway.  

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5 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

'Statistics' is just a mathematical,  academic  form of institutionalized, delusional lying; intended to convince yourself and the rest of the gullible world, of something that is probably not true, but might be true, was true  at a moment in time,  but impossible to actually verify, and doesn't matter anyway.  

The sun has risen every day for as long as I can remember (and even longer without exception according to what I read). Applying Bayesian inference, am I wrong to suppose it'll rise tomorrow morning, or am I just being a delusional academic who is gullible enough to believe the falsehoods that the matrix supplies?

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6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats what the evidence shows. You remember evidence? Its what people show to prove something.

Evidence... Yeah... never heard of industry manipulated studies? Get up to speed bro. A lot money is at stake... Studies are bought and paid for. Don't be naive. 

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6 hours ago, Transam said:

You're not....?  🤔

You are? Don't ask irrelevant, stupid questions that have no bearing on the issue at hand. 

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7 minutes ago, Freeduhdumb said:

Evidence... Yeah... never heard of industry manipulated studies? Get up to speed bro. A lot money is at stake... Studies are bought and paid for. Don't be naive. 

Ever heard of pure fanciful conspiracy theories for the gullible? 

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16 minutes ago, Chatogaster said:

am I wrong to suppose it'll rise tomorrow morning,

There is no guarantee that you, me, or anyone else will actually  wake up in any one morning, even if the sun does,  There are probably statistics that work out those odds, but that statistic, however well researched, guarantees nothing.  . 

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Statistics are not about guarantees.

The statstical odds are very, very high that I will wake up tomorrow morning, wanna place a bet against it to prove that illogical, manipulated pseudo-science wrong? 😆

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22 minutes ago, Freeduhdumb said:

Evidence... Yeah... never heard of industry manipulated studies? Get up to speed bro. A lot money is at stake... Studies are bought and paid for. Don't be naive. 

My first (of many) first-hand experience of this was way back in the seventies, fresh out of college and working in a lab sponsored by the leather manufacturing industry. It was a footwear trial, comparing a high quality synthetic leather with real leather - everyone taking part and actually wearing the shoes felt that the synthetic was more comfortable, but that was the wrong result since it was the leather industry that was footing the bill, so they just played with the numbers and used a statistical method that came up with the "right" result.

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19 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

There is no guarantee that you, me, or anyone else will actually  wake up in any one morning, even if the sun does,  There are probably statistics that work out those odds, but that statistic, however well researched, guarantees nothing.  . 

And the utterly bereft of factual evidence banded about by covid conspiracy theorists?

What would the statistics say about them? 

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3 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

My first (of many) first-hand experience of this was way back in the seventies, fresh out of college and working in a lab sponsored by the leather manufacturing industry. It was a footwear trial, comparing a high quality synthetic leather with real leather - everyone taking part and actually wearing the shoes felt that the synthetic was more comfortable, but that was the wrong result since it was the leather industry that was footing the bill, so they just played with the numbers and used a statistical method that came up with the "right" result.

Yes I'm sure that anecdotal evidence holds true when it comes to world pandemics as well.

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4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

We did. I have to ask did you? You are claiming this article is somehow wrong but providing no evidence to prove that.

What? 😂😂😂

I give up here. It's only useful to discuss if you fully understand each other. 

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

I have no idea what you are talking about. You need to link this.

Because you don't accept anyone else's point of view mate. You can go to his IG and check out the video. That's the official video. Much different than the one presented by the news. 

 

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

No they didn't. You could still walk in the park just not with others. You could still buy vitamins (vitamin D is advisable in the northern hemisphere during winter by most national health boards).

You are not from BKK are you? Parks were closed here and all national parks as well. Stop spreading misinformation lol. 

You can buy vitamins yes. But no one is telling us to stay healthy with it. Only vax vax vax, gel gel gel and mask mask mask. 

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Covid is fake.

Covid is caused by 5G transmitters.

The vaccine has a microchip in it.

Lol, you really grab these and dare to put it with my claims? No one actually believes those unless you're completely cuckoo. That's really a cheap way to win your argument.

If you speak the complete truth, why you so afraid of someone saying something else? 😂

I just started out with a message that a certain one or two people were literally going after me on The Thaiger, saying that I was wrong, while this article now is proving them wrong. 

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4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:
2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ever heard of pure fanciful conspiracy theories for the gullible? 

 

Everything I disagree with is conspiracy and everyone I disagree with doing something is literally Hitler and whoever doesn't believe me is a nazi, racist, sexist or something like that. 

Rip independent thinking

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6 hours ago, Manu said:

I guess you are both in the older age? Am I right? I find it amazing that although triple vaccinated, you still get as you describe "a very nasty flu"? But less if you are in the older age as it is this group that suffers and still will suffer from covid. And that leads to say that those vaccines are not very efficient, saving some lives sure (which is great obviously) but not offering much protection against the disease and quasi 0 immunity. Vaccines as for everything else, some are good, some not so much.

I got my 2nd dose of Astra Zeneca on 26 September last year. According to the UK vaccine surveillance report dated March 10 this year on vaccine effectiveness...

Sourcehttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1060787/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_10.pdf

End of February (22 weeks after my second dose) I caught Omicron here in Thailand (there came my natural boost as I was not prepared to get another vaccine anyway). I would describe it as an average cold, certainly not a very nasty flu (I think most people do not know what the flu is and mixing up with the cold). Fever one night, sniffy nose and headaches for 3 days and tired for a week, that's it. A friend of mine got it at the same time, exact same symptoms, roughly same age and health as me... he is not vaccinated for covid. Dozens where I live had it between January and end of March, some with similar symptoms, some just tested positive but nothing, some had symptoms but never tested themselves but with so many around being positive, it was kind of obvious most of them had it too.

I know it is hard for some, but this pandemic is over. It is time to stop taking any notice of all these articles saying this and that, about scientific studies that we are not qualify to read and understand in the first place. Nor to understand who make these studies, if they have conflict of interests or not. Simply look what is happening around you and make your own opinion based on this, and then simply use your individual common sense. Well as we have always done since the beggining of humanity...

Yes, me 61, my wife only a few years younger. I have a few preconditions, and still I did not downplay the effects of my infection. There is a feeling of exhaustion after the infection, so even about 7-10 days after testing negative I occasionally felt weak. When the infection hit me, I didn't feel strong, but still managed to work from home.

All in all my personal experience with Omikron was therefore not too bad. This said, others may experience much worse, but from what I heard from my (younger) colleagues they all encountered similar effects or were even without any symptoms.

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I got my first round of covid in January 2020.

Yes it was just like a mild flu. Then I got my second dose in March 2020. That was like a kick in the nuts. Then I started all the vaccination programmes.

I had my booster shot in December 2021.

In March this year, 2022, I got my third infection of covid. That was like a never ending smash in the chest with a sledge hammer, non stop.

So yes anti vaxers, it is like a mild flu and we should stop complaining. When you get your second dose you will want to die. With the third dose you will know you are dying...slowly.

So it is up to you how you want to interpret the covid infection.

This is my own experience.

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3 minutes ago, DiJoDavO said:

What? 😂😂😂

I give up here. It's only useful to discuss if you fully understand each other. 

😂😂😂

 

9 minutes ago, DiJoDavO said:

Because you don't accept anyone else's point of view mate. You can go to his IG and check out the video. That's the official video. Much different than the one presented by the news.

Why would I give his site any traffic? He is a liar and a fool. 😂😂😂

10 minutes ago, DiJoDavO said:

You are not from BKK are you? Parks were closed here and all national parks as well. Stop spreading misinformation lol. 

You can buy vitamins yes. But no one is telling us to stay healthy with it. Only vax vax vax, gel gel gel and mask mask mask.

No I am not in Bangkok. I dont want to breath diesel fumes all day. So you can still buy vitamins, round here you can still walk in the park. So just because in your tiny little part of the world is different to most other places it means you are the one spreading misinformation lol. 😂😂😂

14 minutes ago, DiJoDavO said:

Lol, you really grab these and dare to put it with my claims? No one actually believes those unless you're completely cuckoo. That's really a cheap way to win your argument.

If you speak the complete truth, why you so afraid of someone saying something else? 😂

I just started out with a message that a certain one or two people were literally going after me on The Thaiger, saying that I was wrong, while this article now is proving them wrong.

But those cuckoo ideas are from you conspiracy theorists. 😂😂😂

Why are you so afraid of the truth?😂😂😂

If you believe the article is wrong then provide evidence as to why it is. 😂😂😂 

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1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:
2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Why would I give his site any traffic? He is a liar and a fool. 😂😂😂

 

Wow, great argument. You should follow some of his conversations. Would be good for you. You might learn to come up with a good argument for example. 

 

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No I am not in Bangkok.

Then stop spreading misinformation about things you don't know. 

 

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So you can still buy vitamins

Didn't say you couldn't. Only noted that it's was not recommended during covid by anyone, while it should have been noted that vitamins are essential for a good health. Many people lack them. 

 

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But those cuckoo ideas are from you conspiracy theorists. 😂😂😂

You push me into a wrong corner. Maybe the moderator can take a look at this, because it offends me😂 Why would I be a conspiracy theorist AND take the vaccine? Think.... Just think.... Think for yourself.... You can actually do it, you know. 

 

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Why are you so afraid of the truth?😂😂😂

Good comeback... 

 

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If you believe the article is wrong then provide evidence as to why it is. 😂😂😂

If you believe I have ever said that it's wrong, then provide evidence as to why that is. You completely misunderstood something I guess. I've never said that this article is wrong anywhere. In fact, I've said that this article is actually right. 

Jesus, why are you even going after me? Lot of free time left? 😂

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