News Forum - Ukraine’s Zelensky defies Russia’s ultimatum to lay down weapons

[Fanta]

6 hours ago, EdwardV said:

If Donbas was the actual objective day one, the Russians sure do have a funny way of progressing a war. Nothing like blowing out some 20% of your total force on a feint

meh …. Donbas was always the stated objective. Taking Kyiv would have potentially neutered Ukraine’s forces and definitely interfered with the photoshoots. Go for the head shot but if that is too well defended go for the body. It is basic Mortal Kombat strategy. The countless hours I spent on video games were a worthy investment.

[Fanta]

 

“Moscow will consider exchanging prisoners from Ukraine’s Azov battalion for Viktor Medvedchuk, a wealthy Ukrainian businessman close to President Vladimir Putin, a Russian negotiator has said. 
“We are going to study the possibility,” said Leonid Slutsky, a senior member of Russia’s negotiating team on Ukraine, the RIA Novosti news agency reported. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/21/russia-ukraine-live-news-moscow-intensifies-push-for-donbas 

Anyone want to take a bet on this happening? The only exchange will be for permanently unfit for combat POWs from Mariupol and Ukraine will be lucky to get even that. 

 

[Fanta]

7 hours ago, EdwardV said:

The very fact you point out lots of troops were sent there and couldn’t be to Donbas (the actual objective hahaha), argues against your point. 

Hahaha indeed. I said lots of Ukrainian troops were sent to Kharkiv. Donbas is heavily dug in with serious defensive positions - that is why the Russians are throwing shells and not charging the trenches. If the Russians were serious about capturing Kharkiv (the 2nd biggest city in Ukraine) they would have flattened it before moving in. They didn’t. imo, it was a fixing move by the Russians not a serious offensive move. The lack of Ukrainian supplied happy snaps of burned out Russian tanks & mounds of dead Russian soldiers says as much. 

[Transam]

12 hours ago, Fanta said:

lol.. look at a map. The rest of your post … Why do you bother? If I want to hear about how incompetent the Russian occupiers are and how it is all just an indiscriminate attack targeting civilians I will search out the latest Zelenskyy video on MSM. You probably think the Avosteel fighters were evacuated and will soon be home in prisoner exchange with a ticker tape parade. Unless you have an opinion of your own or some facts and can discuss them without regurgitating propaganda don’t bother. 

You talk like a Russian official giving the Russian people an update....

[Transam]

I wonder what the Russian supporters here will comment on this, I wait to see what soda pop says....

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evidence-shows-russian-soldiers-executed-141908975.html

[Fanta]

Off topic post but an article from The Guardian made me do it!

Katerina Tikhonova Is Putin’s youngest daughter. Apparently she as a 2+ year old daughter with the former director of the Munich state ballet. Her partners’ name? Igor Zelensky

Will Putin’s daughter become Mrs Zelensky? 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/19/putins-daughter-flew-to-munich-more-than-50-times-investigation-suggests

[Fester]

10 hours ago, Fanta said:

meh …. Donbas was always the stated objective. Taking Kyiv would have potentially neutered Ukraine’s forces and definitely interfered with the photoshoots. Go for the head shot but if that is too well defended go for the body. It is basic Mortal Kombat strategy. The countless hours I spent on video games were a worthy investment.

We can all see how well your time was spent. 

[Fester]

10 hours ago, Fanta said:

Hahaha indeed. I said lots of Ukrainian troops were sent to Kharkiv. Donbas is heavily dug in with serious defensive positions - that is why the Russians are throwing shells and not charging the trenches. If the Russians were serious about capturing Kharkiv (the 2nd biggest city in Ukraine) they would have flattened it before moving in. They didn’t. imo, it was a fixing move by the Russians not a serious offensive move. The lack of Ukrainian supplied happy snaps of burned out Russian tanks & mounds of dead Russian soldiers says as much. 

A real treat having someone so "in the know" on this forum. 

[Fester]

6 hours ago, Transam said:

I wonder what the Russian supporters here will comment on this, I wait to see what soda pop says....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evidence-shows-russian-soldiers-executed-141908975.html

Yes. Disgusting. And it looks like much more of this to come out.

[Fester]

6 hours ago, Fanta said:

Off topic post but an article from The Guardian made me do it!

Katerina Tikhonova Is Putin’s youngest daughter. Apparently she as a 2+ year old daughter with the former director of the Munich state ballet. Her partners’ name? Igor Zelensky

Will Putin’s daughter become Mrs Zelensky? 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/19/putins-daughter-flew-to-munich-more-than-50-times-investigation-suggests

Hopefully she'll become officially fatherless.

[Transam]

Not one Russian supporter here has commented on my very creditable link, except  JohnC, gave me a sad, now come on JC, you're a Russian aggression supporter, what are your thoughts, your chums have ignored it, go for it..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evidence-shows-russian-soldiers-executed-141908975.html

 

 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Transam said:

Not one Russian supporter here has commented on my very creditable link, except  JohnC, gave me a sad, now come on JC, you're a Russian aggression supporter, what are your thoughts, your chums have ignored it, go for it..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evidence-shows-russian-soldiers-executed-141908975.html

You know why I give you a sad as I've told you before

Can't repeat it again as I'll get into trouble again when you go running to the mods crying again

Haven't even read the link 

[Transam]

Just now, JohnC said:

You know why I give you a sad as I've told you before

Can't repeat it again as I'll get into trouble again when you go running to the mods crying again

Haven't even read the link 

"Running to the mods"....

Of course, you haven't looked at the link, because it may open your eyes, prove you wrong, whatever you fear.....Comrade.....

[KaptainRob]

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[EdwardV]

15 hours ago, Fanta said:

If the Russians were serious about capturing Kharkiv (the 2nd biggest city in Ukraine) they would have flattened it before moving in. They didn’t. imo, it was a fixing move by the Russians not a serious offensive move.

Revisionist history. When Russia first moved against Kharkiv, they hadn’t switched to the flatten city method. However once they did, they started to flatten Kharkiv. Problem is Kharkiv isn’t a small town and Russia found themselves overextended. Hence why they retreated from their northern objectives. 
 

fixing move? The first guards tank army was the unit to attack Kharkiv. Russia’s most elite and best equipped unit. You throw that against a main objective, not to be used in a fixing maneuver. In return it was crewed up so badly it’s commander was sacked. 

[Fanta]

53 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Revisionist history.

Amerikrainian history. Wikipedia doesn’t say much so I’m defenseless against your NATO inspired propaganda  

Luhansk is 90% lost and “the situation remains difficult” (Zelenskky’s speak for we’re screwed) Zelenskyy is saying diplomacy is the answer and absolutely positively, no way will Ukraine cede territory to Russia so does that means he is pencilling a new and improved, low maintenance, more compact Ukraine onto his maps?

[Rookiescot]

20 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Amerikrainian history. Wikipedia doesn’t say much so I’m defenseless against your NATO inspired propaganda  

Luhansk is 90% lost and “the situation remains difficult” (Zelenskky’s speak for we’re screwed) Zelenskyy is saying diplomacy is the answer and absolutely positively, no way will Ukraine cede territory to Russia so does that means he is pencilling a new and improved, low maintenance, more compact Ukraine onto his maps?

No it means exactly what he said. It does not matter how long it takes the Ukraine to eject Czar Putins thugs from its soil. Time is on the Ukraines side. Russian forces are simply not advancing fast enough.

Czar Putins forces are nearing the high water mark of their illegal invasion. The Ukraine now has artillery which by far out ranges anything Russia can field. They now have drones, anti tank and anti aircraft systems Czar Putin can only dream of. Ukrainian moral is high Russias is in the gutter.

Czar Putins thugs are about to get put through the meat grinder. The Ukrainians have already come through theirs. Will the Russians be able to endure the same? I suspect not.

[EdwardV]

2 hours ago, Fanta said:

Zelenskyy is saying diplomacy is the answer and absolutely positively, no way will Ukraine cede territory to Russia so does that means he is pencilling a new and improved, low maintenance, more compact Ukraine onto his maps?

No, what that means is Ukraine doesn’t feel the need to negotiate on Russia’s terms. The war isn’t going well for Russia. They are forced to drastically lower their scope in Donbas , they have been run out of Kyiv and Kharkiv. And they are digging in on the east side of the river in the south (while still occupying part of the west side). Says a lot and none of it good for Russia. By June it’s expected Ukraine will go on the offensive in the south. 

[NorskTiger]

I just don't get it. Russia is apparantly losing and losing and losing. Ukrainean army is soon in Jekatrinaburg and Putin has stage 6 "blood cancer".

  And still I still with the impression that the momentum is still going only one way. Yes, Russia has never had a history of Rommel Blitzkrieg, but it DOES have a history of inevitable victory. 

     Let the maps speak for themselves. Otherwise, we shall agree that the information war is also a fight. 

*Ukrainian volunteers in the east feel abandoned as Russia advances - The Washington Post

  This is Langley Times and when they are sending out something like this, is it a test case of how to break news slowly, or merely more victorious Ukrainean army advances?

      According to the same newspaper, Ukrainean army is not "ruling out" a retreat from Severodonetsk. 

*Is Russia Winning the War in Ukraine? (evenpolitics.com)

Of course, we have THIS as well. From another CIA-controlled outlet. 

    OPINION: Is China winning the Ukraine war? (yahoo.com)

 

  *** I don't think Zelensky is any more in control of this now than he was a month ago. At the same time, it appears clear the Russians are now switching to more use of standoff-weapons and will not be goaded into any frontal assaults with troops. I guess they have learned from USA how to bomb things to smitherins instead.   What is Zelensy's options at this point? I think all he can do is ride it out and let the inevitable evacuation of himself and family happen when time is up. He is likely to have a different fate than Saddam and Ghaddaffi. I see a Caribbean villa or two with life long (or as long as useful) armed guards and a credit card wtih free tap-in to US feds.***

   The above piece was written by myself, so I am the direct source here. 

 

  

[Tigermask]

6 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

I just don't get it. Russia is apparantly losing and losing and losing. Ukrainean army is soon in Jekatrinaburg and Putin has stage 6 "blood cancer". 

And Parkinson's.

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[NorskTiger]

On 5/21/2022 at 9:39 AM, vlad said:

So after over 2 Months of continually shelling and Bombardment from Russian forces the last fighters of the Azovstal Steel plant have surrendered to Russian forces. A victory claimed by Russia this is what liberation means in Russia completely flatten a city making it unhabitable kill thousands your supposed to be liberating and then celebrate a victory well done.

Replace 2 months with 1 year: Russia with USA and  azovstal steel with Mosul gives us a pretty interesting comparison over two quite recent events and the viewpoints in it. 

[Tigermask]

17 minutes ago, NorskTiger said:

Dr Twitter is sending a guaranteed not-manipulated picture here. 

    You guys don't quit..

I broadly agree with you. Unless America and Europe get directly involved, which won't happen, then it can only end with a big chunk of the country going to Russia. But you're deluded if you think Putin is in tip top shape. 

[NorskTiger]

57 minutes ago, Tigermask said:

I broadly agree with you. Unless America and Europe get directly involved, which won't happen, then it can only end with a big chunk of the country going to Russia. But you're deluded if you think Putin is in tip top shape. 

I don't have any grounds to believe he is in a "poor shape", but the decadent West is of course trying to personalize everything and simplify this to one man as always. 

     I wonder how many Ukraineans think this entire ordeal was worth it. All they woulåd have had to do is say stay clear of the EU suicide train. Sounds like a good idea to me. 

     

[Fanta]

That is 4 leaders in the last few weeks that  have called for peace talks. Hungary, Italy, France & Germany. Sleepy Joe is not pleased as shown in his dummy spit yesterday where he repeated Zelenskyy’s claims of Russian genocide.

“The leaders of France and Germany have urged Russia's Vladimir Putin to hold "direct [and] serious negotiations" with Ukraine's president, the German chancellor's office said.”

“The pair "insisted on an immediate ceasefire and a withdrawal of Russian troops," the chancellor's office said.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61618907

 

[Transam]

6 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

I don't have any grounds to believe he is in a "poor shape", but the decadent West is of course trying to personalize everything and simplify this to one man as always. 

     I wonder how many Ukraineans think this entire ordeal was worth it. All they woulåd have had to do is say stay clear of the EU suicide train. Sounds like a good idea to me. 

The war is about one man.....

So why don't you think that this one man has a medical problem..?

A link would be nice.....