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41 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

The Ukrainian Donbass Army is not “ surrounded”.

Yes it is Mr Oldschooler.

You're inferring a fact.
Can you provide a link to substantiate your statement?

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5 hours ago, snapdragon said:

Dear me!!

BBC and CNN for truth and accuracy?

Who is going into cellars and filming bodies that have had their hands tied behind their backs? or showing where mass graves are Snap?  I'll give you a clue  3 major MSM war correspondents with camera teams are on the ground in Ukraine can you guess who they are?.

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2 hours ago, vlad said:

3 major MSM war correspondents with camera teams are on the ground in Ukraine can you guess who they are?.

The same 3 war correspondents whose job it is to present only the messages that the people back home want to hear and their employers endorse. The same 3 war correspondents that merrily frolick through fields of green littered with dead Russian soldiers but never ever show a dead Ukrainian soldier. The same 3 war correspondents that are lead by the nose to whatever the Ukrainian authorities want them to see and dragged away from anything the same Ukrainian authorities don’t want them to see.

Is that the employees you are referring to? 

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Henry Kissinger spoke up at the WEF.

He was, IMO, giving the west a way out of their catastrophic situation. The truth is gradually dawning on many in the US and Europe, that the Ukraine cannot possibly win in the conflict. In fact they will have to concede huge tracks of land.

Not often he takes a neutral line. I'm sure we will hear more on this solution.

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21 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

Henry Kissinger spoke up at the WEF.

He was, IMO, giving the west a way out of their catastrophic situation. The truth is gradually dawning on many in the US and Europe, that the Ukraine cannot possibly win in the conflict. In fact they will have to concede huge tracks of land.

Not often he takes a neutral line. I'm sure we will hear more on this solution.

Let's hope not. A senile Bilderberger who just wants everything to go away so business can get back to profits. This "catastrophic situation" concerns and affects Ukraine far more than "the west", or Kissinger.

And give us some links to your version of the truth.

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god help us all if the Russians ever tried to invade the UK, I think that there would be many on here standing on the east coast with banners saying 'Russians Welcome' in case they were mistaken for Russophobes. 🏳️🏳️🏳️

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A member has been sanctioned and posts removed.

Please follow the FG's and debate the topic in a civil manner.

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8 hours ago, snapdragon said:

The Ukrainian Donbass Army is not “ surrounded”.

Yes it is Mr Oldschooler.

Switch of the mainstream and do some thinking. Look behind the curtain. Think outside the box and consider who is befitting from all this western propaganda.

Was clear with my specific source references that I do NOT listen much to “mainstream” or “ propaganda” except to despise & ignore it. 

I will believe former NATO Commanders. with accountable reputations & careers at stake, using Evidence & Maps, over your pro- Russian propagandists interested only in deception & survival.  

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8 hours ago, snapdragon said:

Don't talk ridiculous Mr R.

They are. Right wing crackpots the lot of them.

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1 minute ago, oldschooler said:

Was clear with my specific source references that I do NOT listen much to “mainstream” or “ propaganda” except to despise & ignore it. 

I will believe former NATO Commanders. with accountable reputations & careers at stake, over your pro- Russian propagandists interested only in deception & survival.  

That's simply not fair Mr Oldschooler. You have no idea about what you are suggesting; "your pro- Russian propagandists."

I am a truth-seeker and if the results prove to be uncomfortable for me then so be it. But better uncomfortable truths than cosy lies.

There are many facets to this conflict. All sides should get a hearing. Not just the west's view.

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16 hours ago, JohnC said:

This is where we'll have to agree to disagree 

If a Ukrainian soldier was to rape a young Russian speaking lady and then brutally murder her in her donbass home he should be applauded and given a pat on the back? Shit comparison but you know what I mean

The rules of engagement applies to both sides

I'd string the lot of them up myself

Good point about nuremburg though. As I said earlier it tends to be the winners who dictate who is a war criminal or not 

Talking about Russian field troops raping & murdering Ukrainian Civilians (or POWs) getting righteously field- executed by vengeful Ukrainian troops. 

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4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

They are. Right wing crackpots the lot of them.

George Galloway a right-wing crackpot???

A Dundee guy who tells it as it is. But on the right? C'on now Mr R.

 

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He used to be a left wing firebrand until he figured out there was more money to be made on the other side.

The man is a duplicitous liar.

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24 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

That's simply not fair Mr Oldschooler. You have no idea about what you are suggesting; "your pro- Russian propagandists."

I am a truth-seeker and if the results prove to be uncomfortable for me then so be it. But better uncomfortable truths than cosy lies.

There are many facets to this conflict. All sides should get a hearing. Not just the west's view.

Important to seek Truth in the right places. It is clearly NOT to be found from the words of any Tyrant regime is it ? Disregard all that shite. 😡

LISTEN first to the EVIDENCE presented by legitimate Ukrainians & WEST military / intelligence experts. Or West- based Russian experts if you prefer.  👍😉
 

IF they all agree on something it’s highly probably correct.  Who Else is more likely to have & present subject Truth ? Congo, Uruguay, Fiji? Clearly Not. 😎😉

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2 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Talking about Russian field troops raping & murdering Ukrainian Civilians (or POWs) getting righteously field- executed by vengeful Ukrainian troops. 

Is that actually allowed though?

I wouldn't complain if it was but surely they have to be tried in accordance with international law otherwise they could go round executing whoever they felt like and that can't be right. 

 

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4 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

George Galloway a right-wing crackpot???

A Dundee guy who tells it as it is. But on the right? C'on now Mr R.

Galloway is usually excellent & insightful when sticking to his speciality, UK Domestic Politics.

Unfortunately Internationally he goes completely off the rails ,resembles Corbyn, in being rabidly anti- Semitic, supporting the blood- soaked enemies of freedom, the savage unreasonable terror - loving Iranian Proxies, Hamas & Hezbollah, against Free Democratic Western Israel. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Is that actually allowed though?

I wouldn't complain if it was but surely they have to be tried in accordance with international law otherwise they could go round executing whoever they felt like and that can't be right. 

Covered this earlier. They get a “ free pass” concession as the Invaded & Brutalized.

Would you really give the raper & murderer of your daughter or wife, his “ rights” ? Perhaps a cup of tea while he calls his lawyer from your blood- soaked sofa …..😡Not This Guy…..

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18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

He used to be a left wing firebrand until he figured out there was more money to be made on the other side.

The man is a duplicitous liar.

Certainly hates Israel & loves Hamas / Hezbollah. Weird. Retained that Socialist anti- Semitic element.
Quite insightful & colorful on Scottish & UK Politics though ?  

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10 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Covered this earlier. They get a “ free pass” concession as the Invaded & Brutalized.

Would you really give the raper & murderer of your daughter or wife, his “ rights” ? Perhaps a cup of tea while he calls his lawyer from your blood- soaked sofa …..😡Not This Guy…..

No I wouldn't myself but I'm not convinced about this free pass you mention 

If someone killed my family I'd happily take an eye for an eye but I know I wouldn't get a free pass and would end up being prosecuted.

 

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19 hours ago, JohnC said:

The side that wins the war are always right. 

But happy to see you agree that there's two sides to it

As Brits you know throughout history we've been the aggressors and defenders many a time.

Were we not the aggressors in Iraq or the zulu wars for example?

Defenders in Falklands etc

I know you like things in black and white so you can understand it better but sometimes matters aren't that straightforward 

For the record I agree with the defender in this instance. Its NATO involvement I'm not sure about. 

NATO are fully performing their duty of protecting the West by all means.

NATO have cleverly provoked Putin into this invasion, by playing on his irrational fears, so Russia, the Main Enemy, can be Sanctioned & Reduced Militarily & Economically. 

Only Putin could possibly believe that NATO, clearly Defensive in nature, would “ threaten” or “ invade” a nuclear-armed Russia! 🤣🤣 To get Minerals the West can simply Buy, which is all Russia  has to offer the West ! 🤣🤣🤣Invade for what ? 

NATO Training & Equipping of Ukraine into a NATO - level armed force will bleed out Russia within months. 
Ukraine was always going to get Wrecked by Russia. NATO used that.😉

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3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

No I wouldn't myself but I'm not convinced about this free pass you mention 

If someone killed my family I'd happily take an eye for an eye but I know I wouldn't get a free pass and would end up being prosecuted.

Not under the circumstances present in Ukraine …..you refer perhaps to a civilized advanced society at peace….. where any vigilante action is “ frowned upon” officially but admired privately, under our “law- abiding” social hypocrisy.  
 

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2 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

NATO are fully performing their duty of protecting the West by all means.

NATO have cleverly provoked Putin into this invasion, by playing on his irrational fears, so Russia, the Main Enemy, can be Sanctioned & Reduced Militarily & Economically. 

Only Putin could possibly believe that NATO, clearly Defensive in nature, would “ threaten” or “ invade” a nuclear-armed Russia! 🤣🤣 To get Minerals the West can simply Buy, which is all Russia  has to offer the West ! 🤣🤣🤣Invade for what ? 

NATO Training & Equipping of Ukraine into a NATO - level armed force will bleed out Russia within months. 
Ukraine was always going to get Wrecked by Russia. NATO used that.😉

Yes I get all that but Ukraine isn't a NATO country or ever will be by the looks of it. 

I'm happy they're helping Ukraine but they do seem to pick and choose which conflicts to get involved in. If they done the same for every country that was illegally invaded then I'd take my hats off to them but they don't. 

I'm thinking Ukraine is just a pawn in NATO game as the great Bob Dylan sang. I don't think the powers that be actually give a shit about the Ukraine people and are happy to use them as cannon fodder to achieve their overall objective in the bigger picture 

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Just now, JohnC said:

Yes I get all that but Ukraine isn't a NATO country or ever will be by the looks of it. 

I'm happy they're helping Ukraine but they do seem to pick and choose which conflicts to get involved in. If they done the same for every country that was illegally invaded then I'd take my hats off to them but they don't. 

I'm thinking Ukraine is just a pawn in NATO game as the great Bob Dylan sang. I don't think the powers that be actually give a shit about the Ukraine people and are happy to use them as cannon fodder to achieve their overall objective in the bigger picture 

Ukraine more a willing NATO Partner. They accept the trade-off. Get Wrecked, Fight & stay Free in exchange for NATO / EU / UK Material Aid, Political Support and Sanctions. 

NATO are involved here as Ukraine a strategically important country to both Europe & Russia. Whilst Yemen is not.

Both want it as Buffer State. NATO never defending with Blood, risking WW3 , one group of Ethnic Russians from Another. Ukraine never meeting NATO Join terms. Massively Corrupt.  Cant Control their Lands, etc. 

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7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Ukraine more a willing NATO Partner. They accept the trade-off. Get Wrecked, Fight & stay Free in exchange for NATO / EU / UK Material Aid, Political Support and Sanctions. 

NATO are involved here as Ukraine a strategically important country to both Europe & Russia. Whilst Yemen is not.

Both want it as Buffer State. NATO never defending with Blood, risking WW3 , one group of Ethnic Russians from Another. Ukraine never meeting NATO Join terms. Massively Corrupt.  Cant Control their Lands, etc. 

Fair enough well explained 

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1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Galloway is usually excellent & insightful when sticking to his speciality, UK Domestic Politics.

Unfortunately Internationally he goes completely off the rails ,resembles Corbyn, in being rabidly anti- Semitic, supporting the blood- soaked enemies of freedom, the savage unreasonable terror - loving Iranian Proxies, Hamas & Hezbollah, against Free Democratic Western Israel. 

So still left wing then.

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