News Forum - Police officer charged in fatal big bike collision with pedestrian enters monkhood

[Stonker]

42 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

I am often not sure, if you can't or don't wanna understand?

Both is equally inconvenient, for others, but fact is: 

His father is BiB, too. It would be better for him, if his father would be of high rank, but: Still it is a BiB-family in the big BiB family. So there is "a chance", they trying all they can, to make it "a honest mistake". Probably the monk thing, for son AND father, is part of the "we can't let one of US get into prison for this.

Unlucky for "Joe 113k Baht  Ducati" , if one can name it that way: The victim was a doctor. And not just a "normal" person or a migrant from surrounding countries!

I understand, but I'm obviously not being clear enough - you're talking absolute rubbish.

[Stonker]

37 minutes ago, RampantRabbit said:

How, how exactly does it help someone whose DEAD

If you feel you have to ask, there's no point in even attempting to explain.

[Guest1]

17 minutes ago, Stonker said:

I understand, but I'm obviously not being clear enough - you're talking absolute rubbish.

If you say so

[Guest1]

15 minutes ago, Stonker said:

If you feel you have to ask, there's no point in even attempting to explain.

That answer comes from the right person, Stonker!

[Vince]

1 hour ago, RampantRabbit said:

How, how exactly does it help someone whose DEAD

I think it helps with reincarnation. Making merit is taken very seriously. 

[PhilAtUbon]

6 hours ago, Stonker said:

Yes, but only while a monk.

He will either have finished being a monk by the time his trial comes up or he will be 'removed' from the monkhood as a formality.

He is not going to be made a monk - they have rejected him:

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/frock-blocked-hit-and-run-cop-who-killed-doctor-rejected-by-monkhood/

“The Sangha Supreme Council clearly states that criminal suspects cannot be ordained,” so they are blocking his ordination.

[Guest1]

8 minutes ago, PhilAtUbon said:

He is not going to be made a monk - they have rejected him:

So we will have to wait for plan B, to avoid prosecution!

[Raugh]

1 hour ago, PhilAtUbon said:

"frock-blocked"

This whole scenario is not the least bit funny and is certainly turning me off Bangkok with it's silly traffic, windy shop filled streets with no sidewalks, etc. etc. Beginning to think I am a better candidate for more open territory without having to look left, right, up down as I walk along to 7-11

But I can't let Frock Blocked get by without a little chuckle.

1 hour ago, PhilAtUbon said:

“The Sangha Supreme Council clearly states that criminal suspects cannot be ordained,” so they are blocking his ordination.

So let me get this straight, people can or cannot get out of hot water via the monk route?

Or maybe there is some back room money exchange that was not met? Perhaps the family is known, or more importantly not known, by  the Temple folks?

I am new here (obviously) though I am pretty sure I have seen people on The Thaiger mentioning this route to redemption or what have you in other threads. No?

At any rate very sad story from both ends. I mean I remember being in my 20's doing stupid things on my motorcycle....all the time. I suppose the difference was I would be all alone on the road say in some mountain area and I can't ever recall having folks crossing in front of me. Back then having a modded bike would have been something fun and exciting, especially a Ducati but they are too small for me. Makes one contemplate how temporary our time on Earth is and we can  be taken by a kid on a souped up bike showing off or a crazed machete wielding madman. yeah. ain't life grand

[Vince]

1 hour ago, PhilAtUbon said:

He is not going to be made a monk - they have rejected him:

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/frock-blocked-hit-and-run-cop-who-killed-doctor-rejected-by-monkhood/

“The Sangha Supreme Council clearly states that criminal suspects cannot be ordained,” so they are blocking his ordination.

Whoa, I didn't see that one coming. 

I guess he shaved his eyebrows for nothing. 

[Stonker]

4 minutes ago, Raugh said:

But I can't let Frock Blocked get by without a little chuckle

In pretty poor taste, to be honest - I have to confess that I had a wry chuckle at Coconuts giving his name as 'Norwich' instead of Narawich.

 

7 minutes ago, Raugh said:

So let me get this straight, people can or cannot get out of hot water via the monk route?

It's never been a 'get out of Jail free' card' - it may get some sympathy because it's seen as doing the right thing, but not really a great deal.

Personally I think it's a bit sad as it can mean a lot to the family whatever the motivation is, but obviously people have mixed views.

He's a junior police officer, and his father's a junior inspector - the police aren't going to protect him under these circumstances, so he'll be going down.

[Stonker]

9 minutes ago, Vince said:

Whoa, I didn't see that one coming. 

I guess he shaved his eyebrows for nothing. 

It'll still be worth some merit for the doctor anyway, as the intention was there.

RIP.

[Vince]

18 minutes ago, Stonker said:

It'll still be worth some merit for the doctor anyway, as the intention was there.

RIP.

Yes, agreed. 

[RampantRabbit]

8 hours ago, Stonker said:

If you feel you have to ask, there's no point in even attempting to explain.

how  about an answer instead of the cryptic  nonsense, theyre  dead any "mumbo  jumbo"  does  nothing to help a  dead  person.......reality

[RampantRabbit]

3 hours ago, Stonker said:

It'll still be worth some merit for the doctor anyway, as the intention was there.

RIP.

What  tripe, why not shave  your  body  hair  all  over then, its  all  tripe,  like all religions

Edited January 25 by RampantRabbit

[RampantRabbit]

7 hours ago, Vince said:

I think it helps with reincarnation. Making merit is taken very seriously. 

Ok so  in effect a  total  fantasy, the reality is  it does nothing.

[Vince]

15 minutes ago, RampantRabbit said:

Ok so  in effect a  total  fantasy, the reality is  it does nothing.

I would not characterize another cultures belief system in that way.

Even if you prefer a purely mechanical view of the world, it is a gesture that seems to appreciated by some devout Buddhists as what, I believe, would be considered a sincere act of contrition. 

So it does do something. Whether it has any impact on souls, or reincarnation, I cannot say. 

[RampantRabbit]

4 minutes ago, Vince said:

I would not characterize another cultures belief system in that way.

Even if you prefer a purely mechanical view of the world, it is a gesture that seems to appreciated by some devout Buddhists as what, I believe, would be considered a sincere act of contrition. 

So it does do something. Whether it has any impact on souls, or reincarnation, I cannot say. 

yeah its  nonsense, I could   put a  rubber  duck  on my head and claim its  hleps couldnt i. Well it certainly  helps to the same degree  for  sure

[Vince]

3 minutes ago, RampantRabbit said:

yeah its  nonsense, I could   put a  rubber  duck  on my head and claim its  hleps couldnt i. Well it certainly  helps to the same degree  for  sure

If you are referring to material causality you are right. Becoming a monk doesn't raise the dead or compensate the family, or substitute for a few years eating rotten fish head soup in BangKwang. 

But an apology is a real thing, as real as your rubber duck, and unlike your duck it has an effect on people. People can appreciate an apology. 

So it is real and has an effect and is not a fantasy which does nothing. 

[RampantRabbit]

4 hours ago, Vince said:

If you are referring to material causality you are right. Becoming a monk doesn't raise the dead or compensate the family, or substitute for a few years eating rotten fish head soup in BangKwang. 

But an apology is a real thing, as real as your rubber duck, and unlike your duck it has an effect on people. People can appreciate an apology. 

So it is real and has an effect and is not a fantasy which does nothing. 

 yes Ido see that  point,easy  to  apologise  after the fact, and doesnt do anything for the dead  person though and material causality is the only real thing here. Joining the monkhood, shaving your  eyebrows is  all religious  nonsense. Oi ...dont slander my duck its  right up there with that spaghetti  monster. The guy would be better off saying hes  going on a driving and re education course as  soon as he gets out of  jail urging  all Thai drivers to re assess their cretinous  ways, that actually might  help....his  next  victim, doubt youll see any change there  though. Just "bad  luck" Id  also question  the reaso n for the apology as  some have mentioned, part of the more lenient  sentence so done  for his  own  sake

Edited January 26 by RampantRabbit

[PBS]

11 hours ago, Guest1 said:

So we will have to wait for plan B, to avoid prosecution!

One can assume the family of the police guy will offer compensation to the Doctor's family; if accepted there will not be any prosecution.

[Nabashalam]

20 hours ago, Cabra said:

Sad and completely avoidable. But why is "big bike" always a subtext? Can we admit that skills (impaired or otherwise), experience and training (including, but not limited to the licensing process) had everything to do with this, and nothing to do with the equipment. 

It's descriptive. A full dressed Harley is more likely to do more damage than a scooter. It's like saying a person was hit by a Semi instead of just a truck.

[Guest1]

1 hour ago, PBS said:

One can assume the family of the police guy will offer compensation to the Doctor's family; if accepted there will not be any prosecution.

Very likely, mediating for the cut is in the BiB job description.

So not only the culprit(s family) will go "all in", also the forces will suggest it that way.

Just getting a bit more expensive now, without becoming a monk, methinks

[Stonker]

According to posts on facebook, supported by alleged copies of his appointment slip, after leaving the scene and the doctor he'd knocked down and killed he went to the Police General Hospital to have his eyes tested for 'blurred vision'.

In an ironic twist, the appointment was with the doctor he'd killed who worked part time as a specialist at the Police Hospital.

https://m.facebook.com/aggressivedoctors/posts/1319020551929615

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, PBS said:

One can assume the family of the police guy will offer compensation to the Doctor's family; if accepted there will not be any prosecution.

Totally, absolutely, 100% incorrect.

The decision to prosecute has absolutely nothing to do with the family and they have no say in it at all - it's entirely up to the police and the DPP.

While 'blood money' applies in some countries it doesn't here, and all paying compensation would affect would be damages.

[Stonker]

7 hours ago, RampantRabbit said:

yeah its  nonsense, I could   put a  rubber  duck  on my head and claim its  hleps couldnt i. Well it certainly  helps to the same degree  for  sure

Etc, etc, etc.

Precisely why I didn't give you an answer before.

It doesn't matter what you believe - what matters is what she believed and her family believe.

They're the ones affected, not you.

If it helps her father come to terms with her death, then it helps.

That's "reality", regardless of your views on other people's beliefs.