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Looks like Uncle Tu is running scared, rubber bullets gawd almighty why? Past time for people to rise up in their millions and get his mob out of it before the country is totally bankrupt and thousands more die due to his lack of care.

They don't have much choice. The British people are done with this now. What Boris gets, that Health czars don't, is that there is no way to enforce a lockdown if even a large minority of the people are no longer willing to cooperate. The whole things falls apart when some are obeying and some are not. People were surprisingly compliant last year. They mostly accepted the notion that it was necessary to stay inside for two weeks to "protect the NHS". It turned to be a little longer than that. The UK will be hit hard by Delta, but that is just what has to happen. Almost everyone will be catching this thing over the next few months. The vaccinated will get through it okay, they won't need to be hospitalized. The unvaccinated will have a rougher ride, but they will be mostly young. Very few fat, diabetic, old, or otherwise vulnerable will have been stupid enough not to get vaccinated. There will be far fewer deaths than that pillock Neil Ferguson is predicting. For a few months, other countries will close their borders to the UK, and the EU will make a big song and dance about how reckless the British are. By October, however, the new natural immunity of the recovered, along with the acquired immunity of the vaccinated, will act as an effective block on spread and life can finally return to normal. Eventually, other countries will have to bite the bullet and do the same thing.

Why do so called experts predict doom, as yet none of their prediction have come to fruition, yet they are quick to have their say, a need to be noticed echoes here. When I read information outside the government narrative from people who have only one concern which is pass on information that will help people I do not here the same kinds of concern. Take case of ivermectin it springs to mind. The experts said it should not be used for Covid, yet we have seen world wide how it has been a life saver in India South Africa and Brazil not to mention other countries now . So what are we afraid of ? New variants has become a buzz word , But what does it mean ? It seems like the word has been dramatized and made to seem something to be afraid of, yet greatest numbers of deaths came at the start of this situation which is a true behavior for any virus infection. The varients we have been told creat more transmissions, is that true or does more testing show more transmissions ? Daily numbers given to covid show more transmission but no greater death rates.h So why do we not highlight other illnesses in the same way to give us a comparison on the number of people who die every day. ???

Topic has degenerated into a slanging match and is now locked. Move on and please keep things civil elsewhere,

Sandbox success!

Its very irritating when the lies just keep on coming on this topic. I know its about not losing face but the government needs to be sincere and certain on its promises on this very sensitive issue There is no way they will produce 10 million a month so stop giving this false hope and be honest

Once again, to little and far too late. A complete shambles and nothing for the 80% not registered. Clowns.

Short-Time money for a Long-Time problem.

I see this article is attributed to the The Guardian (UK newspaper). It's encouraging to see some of the foreign press are reporting on events here too.

He needs to be sacked!

A typo there I think. A timely warning or scaremongering? I thought the latter was prohibited but I guess those who make the rules can also break them, TiT.

Yes, jowever there is nothing wrong with repeating published information as long as the source is cited for reference. I 100% agree with you that investigative journalists in Thaiger uniform would be a welcomed addition as I believe a lot of stories are released verbatum from government media offices for general distribution in the community and are then circulated by Thai media with no fact checking or challenging of the "facts"presented. I assume that the Thaiger has limited independent journalism at present due to the fact that it is small and hence has a small budget for journalistic investigation. Maybe (hopefully) the Thaiger will become more investigative and independent in its reporting over time if it increases in popularity and attracts more advertising income.

Today is freedom day here in the UK with all restrictions lifted. This was achieved through mass Vaccination. It has took over 8-9 Month's using Stadiums, Concert Halls, and mobile Inoculation Center's. This Government in Thailand is telling there People they can jab a Million a Month. This is just untrue as they don't even have the Quantity to do this let alone the staff to do it. Its just a statement coming from the PM because he now realizes the Thai people have had enough of him and his party so he will trot out lies hoping they will believe him.

I agree with many of the positive comments made here and the figures you quoted are correct for the adult population. However, just to be clear on these statistics quoted, and bearing in mind these numbers are often used to claim the mysterious “herd immunity” which is 70-75% % of the entire population vaccinated. Also consider the U.K. population is approximately 67 million people. 46.3 Million have had a first dose. That’s 70% of the population and approx 90% of the adult population. 36 million have had both doses which is 53% of the population and about 72% of the adult population. On top of this there will be some that are unvaccinated but had the virus and hence have antibodies. It’s difficult to find accurate data on unvaccinated but had Covid, though this must add a few percentage Therefore the U.K. is still short of herd immunity (70-75%) in that it has around 55% of its population fully vaccinated or have antibodies. It is also worth bearing in mind when looking to how big a task Thailand is facing, that the U.K. has been vaccinating at high rates every day since early January with high quality vaccines (mainly Pfizer and Oxford-AZ). Even after nearly 7 months, it’s still short of this much coveted herd immunity figure. Next two months will be interesting times in the U.K. as elsewhere with this virus. Either the doomsayers will be celebrating they “told you so”, or they will quietly return to their bunkers waiting for the next opportunity to divide society.

Most Thais have guns at home or in the car so I think they will open the Pandoras box if they do so.

Yes this is the same government that has been prattling on for months that they had everything under control, look how wrong they are. So we can take it that the above comment will just be the same, absolute nonsense.

please don't insult my intelligence. i heard that Buriram has better vaccine allocation numbers...

“and many informal workers not registered in the social security system,” - the 2,000 is good news even if it’s hardly enough. However it misses those hardest hit by the shutdowns lack of tourists. The government has to figure out a way to help them.

This article is badly written and misleading: 1) The AZ 25 June letter did not offer only 3m doses per month, it offered 5-6m. 3m was the quantity requested by the Thai health ministry when they had discussions with AZ last September. 2) The "delay" from end 21 to May 22 is not an AZ delay as the article implies. It is the logical end date for the delivery of 61m doses at the (higher then requested) rate of 5-6m/month. The end 21 date is the arbitrary and incorrect date advised to us all by the Thai government in their vaccination master plan. In the scramble now to achieve this, the country is being asked (told) to accept a first jab of Sinovac followed 3-4 weeks later by AZ as the second jab.

Lets try to stay realistic. The chances he will be sacked are practically zero. Also the chances the sandbox(es) will stop happening soon are very small. It should be clear for everybody in Thailand now, there is only one realistic solution: force Prayut and his criminal croonies out, by using any means necessary to do so. And when this is done, take all the time needed to find 'thrustworthy' people to clear the mess created by those military criminals and by the 'democratic governments before them.

the only lockdown in Thailand so far

that should be enough for sandboxes

Have you tried it; how would you know? Stop, trolling.

Sure mate, course you have. You're trolling. Go, away!

I really doubt you do live here. Wish I could remember your tvf name; it'll come to me later.

It beggars belief doesn’t it. It’s like reading the Beano at times what goes on in Thailand

Thai Airway! Such is their corruption if they flew with two engines they would switch one off to save fuel and arrive late. lol.

i miss soi 6. i will never take it for granted again.

NCC1701A in the house? Been a real revelation of a day. Welding the doors shut is a great idea starting on the ruling party in Parliament member Abodes.

I agree that more could and should have been done. I’m not debating that point at all and my main rebuttal isn’t the number is wrong, they are just not reported the same and hence comparison is difficult. As for Phuket and U.K., It’s not as simple as not allowing a load of “foreigners” in to your country (Phuket) compared to hundreds, if not thousands of U.K. nationals returning from India and other countries. If these were Indian nationals then fine. But many were born and bred and hold valid British passports. Now, we could have done what Thailand did and insist on quarantine for returning nationals, but the scale of British out of the country compared to Thais would have been many times more. When you say the U.K. comes last in every metric with the exception of the vaccination (invention, development and production) and roll out. Well be fair, that’s at least half the problem the U.K. is near the top on isn’t it? And when you compare it to every other island nation over 1 million, surely that’s an unfair comparison. There are over 1 million live in Greater Manchester alone. 12 Million in Greater London. As this is a volumetric issue, shouldn’t we look for an island nation with at least 50% of the U.K. (34 million). And shouldn’t we also consider population density as well as this thing spreads by air? Taiwan 24 million and smaller land mass is a reasonable comparison, but again, how many Taiwanese were out of the country looking to get home from India? Cyprus 1.2 million Australia 26 million and massive country As for Denmark, there are many many reasons why it’s a success including geographical, demographics and political. Denmark is a nation consisting of many islands of which 50-70ish are populated it has a relatively small land border with Germany 68km long. The Northern Irish border alone is nearly 500km and try locking that down and we know what that can cause? If you don’t think that’s a factor then compare it to a small place like Switzerland that borders 5 countries. The population density is also low in Denmark compared to the U.K. Finally I’d say the Danes respect their government more than the U.K. does. As an example, when schools were closed, people were told they would close in 4 days time but the government asked people to do the right thing and keep children away. The very next day the schools were empty. In the U.K. everyone puts two fingers up at the government. They have always been seen as something to challenge and catch out and distrust. I could clearly go on and on, but I won’t!! Just to say. I do not disagree that the U.K. handling of the lockdown stage was poor and could have been a lot better. Boris Johnston has been a weak leader when we needed strength. The development and production and roll out of vaccination has been exemplary to the rest of the world. As for comparisons, we could debate this for years and years, and some people will. But for me my friend, I’ve said enough. Thanks for the debate. I enjoyed it.

Well, that was to be expected. Some of these tourists were children who did not have to be vaccinated. And meanwhile we know, that people who have been vaccinated can also carry the virus. But since the viral load is very low, transmission is unlikely. A vaccination never protects against infection, it only helps to fight it und protects us in most cases against serious illness. Probable reason adult travellers test positive: The travelers has been infected prior to departure, but the viral load was yet too low for a positive test in their home country. Possible reason: The smear test in the home country was made less thorough. Unlikely: The test in Thailand was not performed correctly or there is a false positive result. As I heard, there is always made a second test if there is a positive result. Very unlikely: The traveler got infected during the trip. Then it would be a miracle if the viral load had increased so quickly that a positive test on arrival resulted.

Can’t disagree with that. Like you I was totally shocked when I returned to the U.K. last year. Breezed in like it was any other day. I don’t even recall seeing any hand wash or much in the way of signs at T3 in London. Compare that to Suvarnabhumi where I had my temperature checked 6 times before I even got to the gate.

More absolute BS from A-Nut-In, with a name like that what can you expect. And as for Uncle Tu, I don't recall him telling the truth since before his arrival, everything he says is just garbage and lies.

Iesus Christus....5 posts in & already moaning!

Seeing all these comments about the UK, I will say once again, that much of their problems derive from having the most incompetent PM, possibly in UK history, and certainly in my lifetime. And before anybody tries to infer political bias, as far as my lifetime is concerned, the previous least competent holder of the office was Callaghan. Having Bojo in charge, is like being in an Arctic log cabin in a a blizzard with him telling you to put more wood on the fire to stay warm, while completely ignoring that all the doors and windows are open. Is it any wonder that many got fed up with the restrictions when they were failing to pay dividends due to this incompetence. Yesterday, the UK, which has 0.9% of the world's population, accounted for 11% of all new infections. That is 12X the per capita rate for the rest of the planet. Today, nearly all restrictions will be lifted in the UK. It's as if we seem to think that "winning" in the war on CV is about which country can hurt itself the most.

My kids in CM are adults over 18 and if they feel the need they can go protest again up here. So far they have been limited for what they have partaken in, but it is their future and it is obvious they need to get harder lined to win their future against these thinking they are so that elite.

Yep - lots of anecdotal information that it works to both prevent and fight a C19 infection - and other anti-parasitic type medications do too (including the one Trump mentioned). But no (yet?) proven medical clinical trials and studies, and subsequent approval by authorising Government drug approval bodies like FDA TGA etc. for the treatment of C19. Until those trials, studies and approvals are given (and they are expensive) - they will all never be a 'mainstream approved treatment' for C19. But if I was to test positive to C19 and not yet have a vaccine, I might just try it I reckon. I know of a couple of blokes in Thailand already taking it as a prevention while they wait for the vaccine. But before doing that I would talk to my Doc first to make sure taking it would not cause any complications with my existing medical issues or medications. Just quoting those few words highlighted above is a classic definition of: 'taking something out of its context'. I agree with what you said. But I also agreed with anyone's rights to decide to take it if they want to - with my condition being to check with a Doctor first. Some people will only do what is 'approved' and others will do what is 'not approved'. Up to them.

Well, i'm glad that's all cleared up. Jeez... just admit this isn't the time for holidays. Thailand is not a poor country, i'm sure it has the resources to support its citizens and residents if channeled correctly. Spend your time providing support to locals and vaccinating and maybe in six months time you might be able to think about restarting tourism in a more sustainable way.

Sounding more like penal colony everyday .. Never mind I'm a celebrity , I'm a farang get me outta here .. Common touch playthings eh .? does that mean you can only play the strumpet 'tween 8 and 8 ..

That does appear to be, overwhelmingly, the case. I have read a lot on this from the various sides. So far, honestly, I have come across nothing credible that suggests the immune systems of the vaccinated have been anything but bolstered by the vaccines. Theories, yes, of course, lots of theories, but nothing that made much sense and nothing backed up by anything other than anecdotes. I am aware that the media is deliberately not covering the cases that are happening but, equally, I have seen many riding the adverse reactions horse, even on this forum, deliberately exaggerate and mischaracterize sources that anyone with any curiosity could easily check for themselves. I continue to believe that, in this situation, the vaccines are a godsend. It is, however, insane that we are not also using treatments and prophylactics, such as Ivermectin, that we know are leading to far better outcomes.

Agreed. There must have been hundreds of such similar comments. What is it that people simply can not see here. This isn’t some complex mathematical equation or particle physics theory. This is simple arithmetic! If you let this rip through a population by opening everything up and getting on with life in an unvaccinated and hence unprotected population of around 70 million people, even if only 1% need hospitalisation, that’s 700,000 people all needing hospital care more or less at the same time. The British Medical journal reported that in an unvaccinated population with an “ageing society” such as the U.K. and Thailand, that could be as high as 10%. Can you imagine the mayhem 7,000,000 people needing to go to hospital would cause. That’s on top of A&E requirements and life saving operations for cancer etc that would all grind to a halt. People quote these figures of 0.001 and 1% without seeing that this is for the very reason that lockdowns and restrictions are in place to keep them low, to keep it under control and to stop the country falling in to medical catastrophe Please, someone explain to me why people simply either don’t believe these numbers or can’t do the arithmetic? I’m off to bang my head against a wall

America is currently headed down that same path. Only not by design or choice, just by circumstance. We are going through an “unvaccinated pandemic” right now as the Delta variant is scooping up all those who decided not to get vaccinated. Almost to a person those being hospitalized are unvaccinated. That even applies to the vast majority of those catching the virus. Some areas like LA county are requiring masks while indoors again but that’s it.

Strange. Yesterday the Navy claimed that there would be severe consequences with China if they postponed the order. Somebody not telling the whole truth. My guess is that the selellected PM try to get some sympathy from the Thai citizens for pretending being a nice fellow and savior of Thailand. A bit pathetic but shows his real nature me think.

They might be able to meet this if it's 9 million of the Chinese vaccine that doesn't work on the Delta variant ? Remember they can't count too good unless it's their money. Personally I think anything the government says is complete BS.

Government insists.......................... As soon as you see that, you get the feeling that it will not be achievable !

The Guardian???? It is indeed 'foreign press.'

Yep - lots of anecdotal information that it works to both prevent and fight a C19 infection - and other anti-parasitic type medications do too (including the one Trump mentioned). But no (yet?) proven medical clinical trials and studies, and subsequent approval by authorising Government drug approval bodies like FDA TGA etc. for the treatment of C19. Until those trials, studies and approvals are given (and they are expensive) - they will all never be a 'mainstream approved treatment' for C19. But if I was to test positive to C19 and not yet have a vaccine, I might just try it I reckon. I know of a couple of blokes in Thailand already taking it as a prevention while they wait for the vaccine. But before doing that I would talk to my Doc first to make sure taking it would not cause any complications with my existing medical issues or medications.

But you're willing to jump on them when you disagree with the choice they made. This is a weird hill you chose to die on. Might want to break off trying to defend it.

The problem in Florida is that they took the "it's just like the flu for younger people" narrative seriously. It's true that they protected their older residents both in the social measures phase and the vaccination phase. However, the vaccination phase suffered from the Happy Days Are Here, Again denial of the "protect the elderly" plan. Florida, has had a total of 38,000 deaths, slightly below the national average, but has fully vaccinated less than half of its eligible population. The Miami Herald notes that Florida now represents 20% of the COVID cases in the entire country. COVID case rates have doubled over the past week (Fox News, yesterday) and the positivity rate is now over 10% which indicates cases are higher than reported. So, I agree that Florida did handle the epidemic better than most, but this is not over, as Florida's own numbers show, and saying they "succeeded" might be a bit premature.