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Hong Kong and Thai protesters form the “Milk Tea Alliance”

Links to continue to grow between the core Hong Kong protest movement and the current Thai protests. The alliance is being called “The Milk Tea Alliance”…milky orange-coloured sweet tea is popular in both Thailand and Hong Kong.

Democracy supporters in Hong Kong, Thailand and Taiwan are sharing their criticisms and demands for change against “regimes” they claim are stymying attempts at democracy and closing down freedoms of speech. ‘Thailand and Hong Kong Together’ is a new Facebook page which is helping to draw attention to the 2 protest movements and help the Thai protesters with donations of supplies and protection during the current protests.

The site has already gathered some 20,000 followers and is headlined “Can You Hear The People Sing”, a reference to the freedom anthem from the musical Les Miserable.

The Bangkok Post reports that around a dozen Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protesters were rallying outside the Thai consulate in Hong Kong last Monday showing solidarity with their protest peers in Thailand.

Holding banners bearing the message “Stand with Thailand”, the small group gathered outside the Thai consulate on October 19. Joshua Wong, one of the leaders of Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement, was in the group. They chanted displaying the 3 finger salute gesture borrowed from the movie ‘Hunger Games’, which has become the symbol of the protest in Thailand.

Wong says that while people in Thailand continue to demonstrate, the “Milk Tea Alliance” should stand with them.

“We shall weather the authoritarian storm and reclaim our freedom, irrespective of the cost, the pain and tears ahead of us.”

Prominent Thai activist Netiwit Chotiphatphisal says that the Thai and Hong Kong protesters are facing similar challenges and can share their experiences, and tactics.

“Protesters in Thailand understand the importance of protecting themselves with hard hats and umbrellas, which are both iconic protest gear used by protesters in Hong Kong.”

“We also feel the threat from China in Thailand, so we know how people in Taiwan and Hong Kong feel. Even though the Milk Tea Alliance is an abstract coalition, we are now connected by a common vision.”

“The protesters are trying to make the Thai government look ridiculous and ruthless at the same time.”

Netiwit was referring to the Thai protesters almost intuitive use of social media and messaging as they play cat-and-mouse with Thai authorities and police, moving their protest locations and announcing fake locations for rallies.

SOURCES: Bangkok Post | Deutche Wella

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  1. The young generation is world wide connected from since they were born. I guess that’s why they feel much more as world citizens than the older generations.

    The older generations might even never have left their own country or even province. They learn about other countries with another culture. That can make them divisive.

    Perhaps younger people understand better than we are all humans and that the borders don’t really matter. Or actually, they just divide.

  2. Another big mistake, by both groups.

    Sharing “experience and tactics” is one thing and has always happened, but to be successful any movement has to be targeted; both are now starting to lose track of their own targets with a broader “common vision” instead.

    While students may be interested in student solidarity and their “protest peers” internationally, to be successful nationally they need a broad base of national support, and away from the students Thais are interested in Thai issues, Hong Kongers in HK issues, Taiwanese in Taiwan issues, etc.

    Unfortunately for both, they’re being their own worst enemies by trying for some sort of international student social revolution with a “common vision”, and they’re blowing it.

    1. The Hong Kong protestors have blown it. They want special treatment from the Chinese government, who assured the British government they would have.
      However, Hong Kong is Chinese and they are being subjected to Chinese law now.
      The Thai protestors have not “blown it” because they just want back what they were entitled to last year, which is democracy.
      They will have it eventually.

      1. China kowtows to nobody.
        Has been that way for more than 2000 years now.
        They tolerated the Brits for a while as they were useful to them at the time,that’s all.
        Much as I agree and admire the protesters in hkg I have a pretty good idea how it is going to end!

  3. No John, I don’t believe it’s a mistake to create international struggles. In fact, one of the gifts brought by global media right now is to lay the groundwork for such platforms to be built. Others, both peers and older generations, can easily hear the message. It’s not good to have inward looking governments promoting only your nation’s culture or lifestyle. In fact, that path is no longer even an option in real terms. This is precisely the meaning and aetiology of the current Thai crisis. There’s a government which wants to keep international laws and customs away from the people.
    The present cause of confusion is more a result of trying to tie in monarchical reform at the same time. That caused the movement to be split, though in theory, yellow shirts were also democrats. The current situation has allowed govt forces to split the protest, implying all monarchists also support this government. But that’s not quite accurate. The coalition structure is really just window dressing for military power. Many in it have resigned due to such differences. In Europe there are monarchies working with democracy. They vary in style, but are more openly debated or criticised with impunity than here

    1. I think you’ve missed my point.

      I’m not suggesting the protest shouldn’t be internationalised and the message shouldn’t be heard internationally. Far from it.

      What I’m suggesting is, ironically, much the same as you are – that there is “confusion” and the protest is being “split” because the protesters aren’t targeting their main issue which is to have a democratically elected government.

      Instead, AS YOU SAY, they’ve made the mistake of “trying to tie in monarchical reform at the same time”. Now, in my view, they’re compounding that by spreading their aims even wider to include changes in Hong Kong.

      If “trying to tie in monarchical reform at the same time” has split the protesters and their supporters, AS YOU SAY, surely it has to follow that trying to tie in reform abroad at the same time, which most people here are unaffected by and have less interest in, will split them even more?

  4. Hey Issan John, have you ever stood for anything in your life? I read your comments here and your focus is to criticize and demoralize the young people of Thailand. I am guessing you are an old fart. All of Thailand old and young should be giving these demonstrators for democracy their support, they are doing a fantastic job.

  5. My point isn’t about what I “stand for” or whether the protesters’ aims are right or wrong, but their focus.

    If they want “all of Thailand old and young” to give them their support then they need to make their aims clear and focused, not to “split” that focus and support (to paraphrase Suzanne).

    “All of Thailand old and young”, or at least a considerable number, are interested in democratic reform in Thailand one way or the other, for or against. A lot less are interested in Hong Kong, so adding that to the mix is “confusing” (to paraphrase Suzanne again) and so counter-productive.

    … and if you think that criticism is only demoralizing, then maybe you need to grow up a little bit.

  6. Oh, and Suzanne …

    ” It’s not good to have inward looking governments promoting only your nation’s culture or lifestyle. In fact, that path is no longer even an option in real terms. ”

    I agree with you that it’s “not good”, but it’s increasingly what’s happening as evidenced not only by places like India, Turkey, Hungary and Poland but by the US and UK as prime examples.

    Two decades ago their current leaders would have been seen in the same way as the Monster Raving Loony Party – now, they’re widely accepted however extreme or bizarre the “nation’s culture or lifestyle” might be.

    In France, for example, while you can’t wolf-whistle at a pretty girl or sit on the beach and go swimming in the sea with your clothes on, it’s perfectly acceptable to ridicule people’s religious beliefs or to be naked on many beaches and swim stark naked.

    Sorry, but “in real terms”, “inward looking governments promoting only your nation’s culture or lifestyle” is on the rise however much you (and I) may not like it.

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10 Comments

  1. The young generation is world wide connected from since they were born. I guess that’s why they feel much more as world citizens than the older generations.

    The older generations might even never have left their own country or even province. They learn about other countries with another culture. That can make them divisive.

    Perhaps younger people understand better than we are all humans and that the borders don’t really matter. Or actually, they just divide.

  2. Another big mistake, by both groups.

    Sharing “experience and tactics” is one thing and has always happened, but to be successful any movement has to be targeted; both are now starting to lose track of their own targets with a broader “common vision” instead.

    While students may be interested in student solidarity and their “protest peers” internationally, to be successful nationally they need a broad base of national support, and away from the students Thais are interested in Thai issues, Hong Kongers in HK issues, Taiwanese in Taiwan issues, etc.

    Unfortunately for both, they’re being their own worst enemies by trying for some sort of international student social revolution with a “common vision”, and they’re blowing it.

    1. The Hong Kong protestors have blown it. They want special treatment from the Chinese government, who assured the British government they would have.
      However, Hong Kong is Chinese and they are being subjected to Chinese law now.
      The Thai protestors have not “blown it” because they just want back what they were entitled to last year, which is democracy.
      They will have it eventually.

      1. China kowtows to nobody.
        Has been that way for more than 2000 years now.
        They tolerated the Brits for a while as they were useful to them at the time,that’s all.
        Much as I agree and admire the protesters in hkg I have a pretty good idea how it is going to end!

  3. No John, I don’t believe it’s a mistake to create international struggles. In fact, one of the gifts brought by global media right now is to lay the groundwork for such platforms to be built. Others, both peers and older generations, can easily hear the message. It’s not good to have inward looking governments promoting only your nation’s culture or lifestyle. In fact, that path is no longer even an option in real terms. This is precisely the meaning and aetiology of the current Thai crisis. There’s a government which wants to keep international laws and customs away from the people.
    The present cause of confusion is more a result of trying to tie in monarchical reform at the same time. That caused the movement to be split, though in theory, yellow shirts were also democrats. The current situation has allowed govt forces to split the protest, implying all monarchists also support this government. But that’s not quite accurate. The coalition structure is really just window dressing for military power. Many in it have resigned due to such differences. In Europe there are monarchies working with democracy. They vary in style, but are more openly debated or criticised with impunity than here

    1. I think you’ve missed my point.

      I’m not suggesting the protest shouldn’t be internationalised and the message shouldn’t be heard internationally. Far from it.

      What I’m suggesting is, ironically, much the same as you are – that there is “confusion” and the protest is being “split” because the protesters aren’t targeting their main issue which is to have a democratically elected government.

      Instead, AS YOU SAY, they’ve made the mistake of “trying to tie in monarchical reform at the same time”. Now, in my view, they’re compounding that by spreading their aims even wider to include changes in Hong Kong.

      If “trying to tie in monarchical reform at the same time” has split the protesters and their supporters, AS YOU SAY, surely it has to follow that trying to tie in reform abroad at the same time, which most people here are unaffected by and have less interest in, will split them even more?

  4. Hey Issan John, have you ever stood for anything in your life? I read your comments here and your focus is to criticize and demoralize the young people of Thailand. I am guessing you are an old fart. All of Thailand old and young should be giving these demonstrators for democracy their support, they are doing a fantastic job.

  5. My point isn’t about what I “stand for” or whether the protesters’ aims are right or wrong, but their focus.

    If they want “all of Thailand old and young” to give them their support then they need to make their aims clear and focused, not to “split” that focus and support (to paraphrase Suzanne).

    “All of Thailand old and young”, or at least a considerable number, are interested in democratic reform in Thailand one way or the other, for or against. A lot less are interested in Hong Kong, so adding that to the mix is “confusing” (to paraphrase Suzanne again) and so counter-productive.

    … and if you think that criticism is only demoralizing, then maybe you need to grow up a little bit.

  6. Oh, and Suzanne …

    ” It’s not good to have inward looking governments promoting only your nation’s culture or lifestyle. In fact, that path is no longer even an option in real terms. ”

    I agree with you that it’s “not good”, but it’s increasingly what’s happening as evidenced not only by places like India, Turkey, Hungary and Poland but by the US and UK as prime examples.

    Two decades ago their current leaders would have been seen in the same way as the Monster Raving Loony Party – now, they’re widely accepted however extreme or bizarre the “nation’s culture or lifestyle” might be.

    In France, for example, while you can’t wolf-whistle at a pretty girl or sit on the beach and go swimming in the sea with your clothes on, it’s perfectly acceptable to ridicule people’s religious beliefs or to be naked on many beaches and swim stark naked.

    Sorry, but “in real terms”, “inward looking governments promoting only your nation’s culture or lifestyle” is on the rise however much you (and I) may not like it.

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